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Which it pleaied his excellent: 

Majcftie to have with the Lords Bifhops^and 
ochersof his Clergie (at which the moft oFthe % 
Lords of the CounccU were prefcnt ) in his 
Majefties Privie-Chambcr , at 

Hampton Cof^f^- ii^nn, i^. 160}- 

Contracted by William Barlow, 

Dodor of Divinity, andDeancof Chefler, 

wheremto Are added fo me Copies (fcattered 
abroad) nnfuvory^and untrne. 

Imprinted by JoHNNoRTON,and are to bee fold by 



To the Rea Jer. 

His Qoppy of the Confe- 
rence in ianuary laFi^ 
hath leene long exjjc- 
Bedy and long Jtnce it 
"^as finijhed . /;«= 
peachments , of the di- canw?u' 
"Vutging ft>ere many • fH^o maine aboue the 
reHione , his unfmiely death y ^hofirH im-> 
pojed it, '^ith^hom is buried tht 
famoujefl glory of our Englifli Qmrch^and 
themoUKtndeincouragment topaines and 
fludy : A man happy in his life and 
death gloved ofthebeft while he Hved^ 
and heard of God for his decea^ moft 
earneftly defiring, not many dayes be- 
fore he was ftroken^ that he might not 

A 1 (yet) 

To the Reader. 

(yet) live to ftc this Parliament, as neare 
as it was. 

Tf:>e other p ctn expectation of this late 

■ Comitiall Conference , muchthreatned 
beforehand triumphed in by many j as if that 
Regall and moH honorable proceeding, 
Jhould thereby haVe received his counter- 
blaft^/or being too forward Sut his Maje^ 
fties Conftancy haVmg^by the laft, added 
comfort ^andftrength to thisformer^ which 
now ^at length ^comesabroad,fherem^ good 
Reader ^ thou may eft both fee thoje huge 
pretended Scandals ( for which ourflouri^ 
Jhing Qhurch hath beenefo long difturhed ) 
objeBed and romoVed ^ and loithall^ behold 
the expreffe and yiye Image of a moft lear* 
ned and judicious IQng : whofe manifold. 
gifts o/'Grace and Nature , myfcant meac 
Jure of gift is not able to delineate^ nor am I 
willing to enumerate , hecaufe Ihanje eVer 
accounted the perfonall commendation of 

• liYingRinces/w men of our forts ^a yerball 
Symonie • Such Flies there are too many, 
which puffe the skin^ but taint thefleJh.His 


To the Reader. 

ifajefties humble deportment in thofefuUts 
mities , will he the eterm:^ng of his memoa 
rie : the rather ^becauje ts^r^rt^' tip c\cc,, to di^ 
geftfb great Felicity without furfet of 
furcjuedryis ^ virtue ;, rare hi g) eat perjo^ 
nages^and that, which the t\tng of Heaven 
feared , e^^en the f\Jng of hts oivne choke 
would want, Tlje more eminent he is^in all 
princely qualities ^ the happier flM II we be : 
our dutie^ as we are Chrftians^is Prayer/or 
him;as weareSubjeBsf)hcditncc to him; 
as we are men, acknowledgment of our 
fetled ftatem Inm ; Qur unthankfulncfje 
may remove him as it did the tnirror of^rau 
ces^our late famous Elizabeth. She 
refts l^pith God ^ the Vhcenixof her apes 
reignes oyer us ^ and long may he jo doe to 
Gods glory ^and the Churches good j which 
his excellent knowledge heautifieth^ andgOs 
yernment adjoyned will heatifie it. lAn 
hipe of this laft "ifbe conceive by his ivritten 
BwA,xe, : a Specimen of the otheK\in this In- 
terlocutory Conference : whereof take 
thisy li?hich is printed y but as an'Exmd:^ 
^ 3 wherem 

To the Reader. 

li?herein is the Subftance of the "^hole. In-i 
caufe prolixity "tt^ithout profit ; l^hat every 
7nan jatd y^oint device ,1 neyther could^nor 
cared to ohferVe ; the vigor of every ob- 
jedion^ Wth thefumme of each anfwer^ 
IgueJJe^l miffe not : For thefirU dayjhad 
no helpe beyond mine o'^ne 0ctjome of good 
place and underflandingyhaVefeene it, and 
7iot controlled it ^except for the brevity : for 
*Ef.ur.di. the tlPolaU^out of divers * Copies^ I have 
chrift-ch. felecled and ordered "^hat you here fee : in 

Winchcft. ^ i- I I r^- ir ■ 

windfor. them ally next unto (jod^ the J\ings Maje^ 
NToufngha^f/y alone viuft have the glory : Tettofay^ 
f '"'"^ that the prefent State of our Qhurch^ is Very 
much obliged to the reverend Fathers , my 
Lords o/"London and Wmton^their pains 
^ dexterity in this bufmefjep^here neither 
detraction /"ro/w other '.nor Rsittery of them. 
His High?ieJJe purpojed to compofe all quar^ 
rels of this kinde^vhereby ^andfuppoftngHe 
hadjetled all matters of the Churchy itplea^ 
fedhtmfotofignife by Proclamation af^ 
ter it ivas done : but there is a triple gene- 


To the Reader. 

ration in the ^orld,of'Si>hom the Wile-man Pioa 30 la 
Jpeaketh^Marry I Jay nothing ( for e^en pri= ^' '*' 
yateffeechcs cannot iiofip pajje without the 
Jineere of a Bhckc Cole. ) Inoneranke 
"thereof you may place. our Hercules-Lim- 
bomaftix , l^hom it ?night have pleafed, 
fpithout this Gnachonicall appeale,to have 
rejied His Majesties determination -and be- 
ing a Synopticall Theologue « «"^'«'" ,• and 
angry ^ that he was not Jo ^ <>r"£hn/u«f, have 
learned the dijference in Divinity ^bet^Veene 
viam Regis, ^?i^;,viamgregis. ^ 

Many Copies of divers Jorts have beene 
jfcattered a?idfent abroad Jbme par ttall ^fome 
untrue , fome flanderous. If hat is herefet 
do'^ney for the truth thereof Jl?all be ju- 
flijied : the onely wrong therein^is tohisEx^ 
cellentMajeJly^aJyllable ofwhofe admira^ 
hlejpeechesyitwaspitty to loofe ^ hisivords 
as they were uttered by him^ being as Salo- Pfoif it* 
monfpeakethylikc Apples of gold^with 
pictures of filver 5 and therefore I re queji 
thee, good Kadet ^when thou commejl: to 
any of his Highneffe fpeeches , to turne 


To the Reader. 

Mattiali his ^pofirophe upon me ; 

Tu male jam recitas,incipit efletuus; 
and I will take it kindly. If thou he honeji^ 
and courteous , thou wilt reftfatisfied^ and 
that is my content : to lay a filloip for a 
T>oggey forts neyther with my leijure^ nor 
purpoje. Farewell. 

Thine in Chriftlefu: 

W. Barlow; 




iHe day appointed was, 
as by his Majejlles Pro- 
clamation wee all know, 
Thurfday the ii. of la^ 
iiuary - on which there 
met at Hamj^tm Court by nine of the 
Clocke, all the Bifhops and Deanes, 
fummoned by letters, namely, the Arch- 
billiop of Qanterhury , the Bifliops of 
London y Durhaniy \Vinchefleyy Worce^icr, 
S: Davids, QHcJ?ej]:er,Q}Ul, andPfre;v 
boroU? : the Deanes of tlie Chappell^. 
Qn-tjls Chwch ^ Wonc[ter, Wefimmjle)r^-, 
^aulsy.Qyej},^y JVtndfor wilh Doctor 

z Hfefumme of the Conference 

Field ^ and Dodtor f\jng^ Arch-deacon 
oCNottingham : who , though the nighc 
before , they heard a rumor that it was 
deferred till the fourteenth day , yet ac- 
cording to the firft fummons , thought 
k their duty to offer themfelves to the 
Kings prelence ^ which they did : at 
'''which time it pleafedhis Highnefle to 
*^''fignifie unto the Bifliops , that the day 
*'*^ having prevented,or deceived him,, hee 
^^ would have them returne on Saturday 
<<' next following : On which day , all the 
Deanes & Doctors attending my Lords 
the Bifhops, into the prelence Chamber, 
there wee found fitting upon a forme. 
Doctor ^ifiolds^ Do6tor Sparks, MzHcr 
I\neu7jiuhs^ and Mailer QhadertoUy Agents 
for the Millenary plaintiffes. The Bi- 
fliops entring the privy Chamber , ftaied 
there , till commandement came from 
his Majefty ,. that none of any fort, 
fliould be prefent, but only the Lords of 
the PriviejCounceU, and the Bifliops, 
with five Deanes, "vi;^. of the Chappell, 


before the K^ngs Majejly. 5 

Wcjlmiiijler, ^duls , Wefichefter ^ Salisbu- 
ry ^who being called in , the doore was 
clofe fliuc by my Lord Chamberlaine. 

After a while, his excellent Majcfty 
came in , and having pafled a few plea- 
fant gratulations with feme of the 
Lords , hee fate downe in his Chaire, 
removed foiAvard from the cloth of 
State a pretty diftance j where, begin- 
ning with a mod grave and Princely de- ^ 
claration of his generall drift in calling '-» 
this affembly, no novall device , but ac- ^> 
cording to the example of all Chriftian ;»> 
Princes, w^ho in the Commencement of ;> 
their reigne , ufually take the firfl: courfe >> 
for the eilabUfhing of the Church, both ?? 
for Doctrine and po'licie , to which the y^ 
very Heathens themfelverhad relation ;», 
in their Proverbe , J. loVe ^rlndpium" ,y 
and particularly ^in this Land,King Hen- ?, 
ry the 8. toward the end of his reigne • jy 
after him King Ect^cirl the 6. who al-:>, 
tered more ^ after him Queene Mary, ,, 
who reverfell all ^ andlaft the Queene ,, 
B 2 ^ of 

4 Th$fwnme oftj^e Conference 

*^ of famous memory ; fo W^ Miglmffe 
added {foricis wxMt'hthe fidtitig , that 
his Maiejiy never remembred her , but 
^Svkh (bme honourable addition ) who 
^ ftded it as now it ftandeth : wherein^ 
^'^hee laid that he w^as happier then they, 
^ in chis;, because they were faine to alter 
'^ all things they found cftabliflied , but 
^^ he law yet no caule lo much to alter^ 
*^^ and change any thing , as to confirme 
^^ that which hee found well letled alrea- 
'- dy J which ftate, as it leemedj fo affected 
*^^ his roy all heart J thatitplealed him both 
^^to ente r into a gratulation to Almigh- 
*^ ^jy Go d J ( at which words, he put oft his 
^'^ hat ) for brih^in^ him into the pi-omi ftd 
^^ landyw h^^re Religion was purely profef - 
^^ led y where he late among grave learned 
^'*^ and reverend men, not, as before, elft- 
^^ where, a King without ftate, without 
'•*' honor^w^ithout order, where beardleflc 
'^^^boyeswould'bravehimtohis fece, and 
^^ to affure us , that he called not this al^ 
^;lembly for any Innovation , acknow- 

before the KJfg^ A4<i}efly\ 5 

Icd^ in'^ the govcrnmenc Ecclcfiaflicil|^ ;>> 
as iTb w It IS ^ to have becne approved by » 
ITTSml oIci blessings Frmn G(;)d him (7-1 ff ?^ 
Jo ffi~tor the incrcale of the Goipe ll ^> 
i nd with a moit happy and glorio us y> 
)eace ; yet, becaviie nQthin^ could bee^^ 

[b ablblutely ordered, but fomeching^:> 
might bee added afterward thereunto^ y> 
and in any ftateas in the body of man » 
corruptions might inienfibly grow ^ ey- y> 
ther through time or perlbns : and in » 
that he had received many complaints yy 
iince his firft enterance into the Kincr- y, 
dome, elpecially through the diflenti- ;>;> 
ons in the Church , of many difbrdcrs y> 
as he heard, and much difobedience to » 
theLawes,withagreat fallmg away to?;> 
Popery ^ his purpofe therefore was ^ like » 
a good Phylitian , to examine and trie » 
the complaints ^ and fully to remove the pj> 
occafions thereof^ if they prove fcanda-p> 
lous, or to cure them;, ifthey were dan- p> 
gerouS;,or;, if but frivolous , yec to take:>^ 
knowledge of them^thereby to caft a fop ^y 

B 3 into 

6 The fmnne of the Conference 

into Qerberus his mouthy that he may ne- 
^*^ ver barke againe, his meaning beings as 
^"^ he pleafed to profefle , to give fadtious 
^'^fpirits, no occafion hereby , of boafting 
'^'^ or glory, for which caufe he Had called 
^^ the Bifhops in, feverally by themlelves, 
^' not to bee confronted by the contrary 
^^ opponents , that if any thing fhould bee 
*^'' found meet to be redreffed, it might bee 
^"^ done, (which his Majefty twile or thrife 
^^ as occafion (erved , reiterated ) without 
^*^ any vifible alteration. . . 

^^ And this was the lumme , Co farre as 
^^ my dull head could conceive and carry 
ic, of his Majefties generall fpeech. In 
particular hee fignified unto them the 
principall matters, why hee called them 
*^' alone , w^ith whom hee would confult 
^^ about lome fpeciall points , wherein 
^"^ himielfe defired to bee fatisfied 5 thefe 
'^'^he reduced to three heads *. Firft, con- 
^^ cerning the Booke of Common Pray- 
^*^er , and Divine Service uied in this 
f*^ Church. Second, Excommunication in 



before the K^gs ^SMlajejiy. y 

the Ecclcfiafticall Courts. Third, the ^^ 
providing o^ fie and able Minifters for ^^ 
Ireland. -'^ 

In the Booke hee required fatisflidti- ^^ 
on about three things. Firft, about Con--'-' 
firmation • firft for the name, if arguing -'■' 
a confirming of Baptilhrie, as if this Sa- ^^ 
crament without it , where of no vaUdi- ^^ 
ty, then were it blafphemous : Second- '-' 
ly, for the u(e , firft brought upon this ^> 
occafion • Infants being baptized , and ^> 
anlwering by their Tatrini , it was ne- p^ 
ccfTary they fliould be iCxamincd , when p^ 
they came to yeeres of dilcretion , and f> 
after their profcsfion made byJthem-:,> 
lelves, to bee confirmed with a blesfing ?> 
or prayer of the Bifliop, laying his hands ^^ 
upon their heads , abhorring the abufe )) 
in Popery, where it was made a Sacra- 
ment and corroboration to Baptifme. 

The fecond was for Abfolution 


which how wee ufed it in our Church, p/ 
he knew not, he had heard it likened to p;, 
the Popes pardons , but his Majefties ^^ 


8 The fHmme of the Conference 

opinion was,thac^there being onely two 
kinds thereof from God ^ the one gene- 
ralljtheotherparticular : for thefirft^all 
Prayers and Preachings doe import an 
Abfolution . for the (econd;, it is to be ap- 
phed to Ipeciall parties , who having 
committed a fcandall;, and repenting, 
are ablolved:otherwiie,where there pre- 
cedes not either excommunication- or 
penance,there needs no abfblution. 

The third was Private Baptifine , if 
private for place ;, his Majefty thought 
it agreed with the u(e of the Piimitive 
^^ Church J if for perfons , that any but a 
^' lawfull Minifter might Baptize any- 
^'^ where, he utterly difliked: and in this 
^^ point his Highmffe grew ibmewhat ear- 
^^ nefl againft the Baptizing by women 
*'*' and Laikes. 

^^ The fecond head was Excommunica- 
^'^ tion;, wherein he offered two things to be 
^^ confidered of, firft, the matter : fecond, 
^' the peribn. In the matter, firft, whether 
<< it were executed , ( as it is complained in - 







before the ^^g^ Majeffy. 9 

^^ lisihtcaufes • (econd, whether it were 
^^ not ufed too often. In the Perfons^firft^ 
'' why Laymen, as Chancelors &c Com- 
*^ miftaries fliould doe itf fecond,why 
" thcBifliopsthemfelves, for the more 
^* dignitie to fb high and wcightie a cen- 
" lure, fhould not take unto them, for 
^^ their asfifl:antS;,the Deane and Chapter, 
^^ or other Minifters, and Chaplaines of 
^^ gravitieand account ; and fb hkewile 
^^ in other cenfiires , and giving of Or- 
^^ ders,&c. 

Thelaft;, for Ir^/^;/^,his Majefiy refer- 
red;,as you (hall in the lafl: daies Confe- 
rence heare ;, to a conlultation. His 
H'tghnejje ( to whom I offer greac 
wrong , in being as ^hocion to De^ 
mojlhenes , wtthIvv xoyc^p , the Hatchet to 
cut fhort (b amiable a fpeech ) having 
ended^the Lord Arch -bifhop , after that, 
on his knee , hee had fignified how 
much this whole Land was bound to 
God , for (etting over us a Kjng, Co wile, 
learned and judicious , addrefled him- 

C felfc 

lo TT^efumme of the Conference 

felfe to enforme his Majejlie of all theft 
points in their (everall order.. 

And firft^ as touching Confirmati- 
on , hee fliewed at large the antiquity of 
k , as being uled in the Catholique 
Church ever fince the Apoftles time, till 
that of late fbme particular Churches 
had unadviledly rejeded it. Then hee 
declared the lawflill ufe of it , agreeable 
to his Majejlies former fpeech , affir- 
ming it to bee a meere calumniation, 
and a very untrue fuggeftion ^ if any 
had informed his Highneffe , that the 
Church of England did hold or teach, 
that without Confirmation , Baptifine 
was unpcrfe6l, or that it did adde any 
thing to the vertue arid ftrength there- 
of And this hee made manifeft by the 
Rubrikes in the Communion Booke (et 
before Confirmation, which were there 

My Lord of London flicceeded 
laying , that the authoritie of Confir- 
mation, did not depend , onely upoa 


before the K^ngs Maje fly. n 

the Antiquity and pradife of the Primi- 
tive Church , which out of Cyp^'^^^^y 
Ep. 7^. and Hieron, ddvofus Luciferian. 
he flhewed , but that it was an inftitu- 
tion Apoftolicall , and one of the par- 
ticular points of the Apoftles Gate- 
chilme , (et downe and named in ex- 
prefTe words Heh. 6. i. and lo did Ma. 
QalVin expound that very place , who 
wiflied earneftly the reftitution thereof 
in thofe reformed Churches , where it 
had beene abolifhed. Vpon which place 
the Bifhop of (}jr/(?/7 alio infifted, and - 
urged k both^gravely and learnedly. His 
Maje[ly called for the Bible, read the place 
of the Hchrer^Sy and approved the expo- 
fition. ''» 

Something alfb the Bidiop of 
Durham noted , out of the Gofpell of 
Saint Matthet^ , for the impofition of 
hands upon Children. The conclu- 
fion was , for the fuller explanation^ 
( that wee make it not a Sacrament, 
or a corroboration to a former Sa- 

C 1 crament. 



ir Tloe ft4nme of the Conference 

^^ crament, that kfliouldbe confidcred 
of by their Lordihips , whether it 
might not,without alteration (where- 
of his Majejly was ftill very wary ) be 

^''intituled an Examination withaCon- 

^^ firmation. 

Next in order , wai the point of 
Abfolutioa;, which the Lord Arch-bi- 
ftiop cleared from all abule^, or fuperfti- 
tion ;, asit is ufed in our Church of 
England : reading unto his Majejly ^ 
both, the Confcsfion in the beginning 
of the Communion Booke ^ and the 
Abfolution following it';, wherein ;, 
( faith hee ) the Minifter doth nothing 
elfc but pronounce an abfolution in ge- 
*'^ nerall. His Highiejfe peruftd them 
^^ both in the Booke it ielfe, liking and 
^'^ approving them;^ finding it to be very 
true, which my Lord Arch-bifliop faid : 
but the Biflhop of Low Jo?iftepping for- 
ward;, added^ it becommeth us to dcale 
plainly with your Majejly : there is 
alfp in the Communion Booke, ano- 

before the K^gs Ad^jejly. i ; 

ther more particular and perfonall 
forme of Abfolution , pre(cribed to 
bee uftd in the order for the Vifiration 
of the ficke : this the l\tu^ required to 
lee ;, and whileft Mafter Deane of the 
Chappell was turning to it ^ the (aid 
Bijfhop alledged;,that not onely the Con- 
fesfions of ^u^iifla , (Bohemc y Saxon , 
which he there cited ;, doe retaine and 
allow it;, but that Mafter QalVm did alio 
approve fuch a generall kinde of Con- 
fesfion^ and Abfolution;, as the Church 
of Englayid uleth^, and withall;, did very 
well like of thoft which are private^, for 
lo he termes them : The laid particular 
" Abfolution in the Common Prayer 
Booke being read^ his Majefty excee- 
dingly will approved it;, adding,that ic 
was Apoftolicall;,and a very good ordi- 
nance;,in that it was given in the name 
of Chrifl:;,to one that defired it^and up- 
on the clearing of his conicience. 
The conclufion waS;, that it fhould be 
conRiked of by the Bidiops ^ whether 

C 3 unto 

1 4- TJ?e fumme of the Conference 

unto the Rubrike of the generall Abfblu- 
tion thefe words, Remisfion of finnes, 
might not be added for explanation fake, 
in the third place , the Lord Arch-bi- 
fliop proceeded to ipeake of Private 
Baptifme, fhewing his Majefy , that the 
adminiftration of Baptifme by Women 
and Lay-perfons was not allowed in the 
pra6tifeofthe Church;, but enquired of, 
byBifliops in their Vifitation, and cen- 
fured ; ney'ther doe the words in the 
Booke inferre any iuch meaning : 
whereunto the King excepted , vrging 
^^ and presfing the words of the Booke, 
^^ that they could not but intend a per- 
^' misfion , and fufFering of Women,and 
private perfbns to Baptize. Heere the Bi- 
ftiop of WorceHfr faid , that indeede the 
words were doubtfuU , and might bee 
prefled to that meaning , but yet it fte- 
med by the contrary pradife of our 
Church, ( cenluring Women in this caft ) 
that the compilers of the Booke did not 
ih intend them, and yet propounded 


before the K^gsSS/faje fly. X$ 

them ambiguoudy , becaule ocherwife, 
herhaps^ the Booke would not have then 
pafTed in the Parhament , ( and for this 
conjecture, as I remember, hee cited the 
teftimony of my Lord Arch-bifhop of 
Torke : ) whereunto the Bifiiop of Lon- 
don replied , that thoie learned and reve- 
rend men , who framed the Booke of 
Common Prayer, intended not bv am^ 
biguous termes to deceive any, but did, 
indeed, by thoft words intend a perm if - 
iion of private perfons , to Baptifc in caie 
of necesfity , whereof their Letters were 
witnefles ., iome parts whereofhee then 
read , and withall declared that the lame 
was agreeable to the pra6tilc of the an- 
cient Church • urging to that purpofe, 
both ^(5?. z. where 3000. were Baptized 
in one day^ which for the Apoftles alone 
to doe , was imposfible, at lead impro= 
bable ; and befides the Apoftles , there 
were then no Bifliops or Priefts : And 
aUb the authority of Terfw///^;/ , and S. 
Ambrofe in the fourth to the Epheftans^ 


i6 The fumme of the Conference 

plaine in that point , laying alio open 
the abfurdicies and impieties of their 
opinion who thinke there is no necesfi- 
ty of Baptifme, which word Necesfity, 
he ib prelTed not;, as if God without Bap- 
tifme could not lave the child ; but the 
caftput;, that the ftate of the Infant p dy- 
ing unbaptized^ being uncertaine^, and to 
God onely knowne • but if it die Bapti- 
zed;, there is an evident affurance ^ that it 
is faved. Who is he that having any Re- 
ligion in him^ would not fpeedily , by 
any meanes^, procure his childe to bee 
Baptized ^ and rather ground his allien 
upon Chrifts promife, then his omisfion 
thereof>upon Gods fecret judgenment f 

His Majejly replied;,firftto that place of 
^^ the ^Bs^t\\2.t it wasanAxfl extraordina- 
ry ;,neyther is it found rea(bning from 
things done before a Church be fttled 
and grounded;,unto thofe which are to 
be performed in a Church ftabhlhed<S^ 
flourifliing : That he al(b maintained 
the necesfity of Baptifme^ and alwaies 







before the KJings Ai^jefiy. 17 

^^ thought , that the place of S. Iohnjl>ljfi 
^^quis renatus fucrit ex aquaj^c.W3.smcznt 
^^ of the Sacrament of Baptifine, and that 
^^ he had lb defended it againft Ibme Mi- 
nifters in S cot! a?hi^&c it may feem ftrange 
to you my Lords, laith his MajcjJy^ that 
^'^ \, who now thinke you in England give 
*''^ too much to Bapci(me;>did 14. Moneths 
^^ a.go in Scotland arguewith my Divines 
^^ there,for afcribing too htletothatho- 
^^ ly Sacrament. Inlbmuch that a pert Mi- 
" nifter asked me,if I thought Baptilme lb 
**^ neceflary , that if it were omitted, the 
^*^ -child fliould be daned-l anfwered him^ 
^* No;, but if yoU;, being called to Baptize 
**^the child;,though privately^fhould refufe 
^^ to come;,! thinke^you fhall be damned. 
" But this necesfity of Baptilme,his Afaje- 
^^Jly lb expounded, that it was neceffary to 
•' be had, where k might be lawfully had, 
^' id ijly miniftred by lawfuU Minifters,by 
*^ whom alone^and by no private perfon^ 
^^ he thought it might not, in any cale bee 
^^ adminiflred; and yet utterly difliked all 

D "^^^rebapti- 

iS Thefi^mme of the Conference 

^^ rebaptization;,although eyther Women 
^^ or Laikes had Baptized. 

Here the Bifliop of Winchejler ]^ake 
very learnedly ;,and ear neftly;>in that point, 
affirming , that the denying of private 
perfbnS;^ in cafes of necesfity, to Baptize^ 
were to croffe all antiquity^feeing, that it 
had bcene the ancient and common, 
pradile of the Church, when Miniflers 
at fuch times could not be got , and that 
it was alfb a rule agreed upon among 
Divines, that the Minifterisnotof the 
Eflence of the 5acrament.His Majefiy an- 
^^ lwered,though he be not of the Eflence 
^^ oftheSacrament,yet is he of the Eflence 
of the right and lawful! Miniflry of the 
Sacrament, taking for his ground the 
commisfion of his Difciples, 
MzM8.2o.Goe preach and Baptize. 

The iffue was a confultation, whether 
into the Rubrike of Private Baptifme^ 
which leaves it indifferently to all Laikes 
or Clergy, the Words, Curate or lawfult 
Minifler, might not bee infertcd, which 



before the Kings Majesty, j 9 

was not fo much ftucke at by the Bi- 
fliops. And ib his Majejly proceeded 
to the next point, about Excommunica- 
" tion^in caufe of leflcr moment : firft;, 
^' whether the name might not be altered, 
^' and yet the lame cenfure be retained : or 
'^' iecondly ;, whether m place of it;, mother 
Coercion equivalent thereunto ;, might 
not be invented and thought of . A thing 
very eafily yeelded unto of all fides , be- 
caufeit had beene loHg and oiten defi- 
red, but could not be obtained from hec 
Majejly^ who refolved to bee ftill, fcmper 
eadem, ^nd to alter nothing which (lie had 

And thus theWednefclayrucceeding, 
being appointed for the exhibiting of 
their determinations in theft points , and 
the Munday next immediately follow- 
ing this prefent day , for the Oppo- 
nents to bring; in their Complaints, wee 
were dilmilled after three hourcs , and 
morefpent. which were (bone gone, fo 
admirably , both for underftanding, 

D 2 fpeechj 

20 ThefHmme of the Conference 

fpeech;, ancf judgement, did his Majejiy 
handle all choie pointS;, lending us away, 
not with contentment oriely , but afto- 
nifliment>and,which is pitifull, you will 
lay p with Ihameto us all, that a I^ina- 
brought up^among Puritans^not the Icar- 
nedfl: men in the World, and (chooled by 
them J (waying a Kingdome full of bufi- 
neffe, and troubles , naturally given to 
much exerciie and repaft^nioiild in points 
ofDivinityfhewhimlelfe as expedite Sc 
perfe6t,as the greateft Schollers,and mofi: 
induftrious Students , there preftnt , 
might not out-ftrip him. But this one 
thing I might not omit, that his Majefiy 
fliould pro fefle , howfoever hee lived 
among Puritans,and was kept, for the 
mmtpart^as a Ward under them, yet ^ 
frnt rte \vas ofthe age of his Sonnp, 
ten ye eres old,he ever difliked their opi- 
n ions, as the saviour of jhe^ World fi jd^ 
T hough hee lived amongthem, hee wa s 
not of them. 

Finis priniie diet. 







N Monday , lanumc 
fixteene ;, becvveene ii. 
and 11. of the clock;, 
were the 4. plain- 
tiffes called into the 
privy Chamber^ ( the 
two Bifhops of Lo?/- 
don y and JFinchcfier being there be- 
fore ) and after them all the Deanes 
and Do(5tors prelent, which hadbeene 
iummoned ;, Tatr. Galloyi?ay fometime 
Minifter of 'Pert/; \n Scotland y admitted 
alio to bee thercp the Kings M^/ty^y ;, en- 
trins; the Chamber ^ preftncly tooke 

D 3 his 

%% I'hefumme of the Conference 

his Chaire, placed as the day before ( ,the 
noble young Prince , fitting by upon a 
ftoole;,) where making a fliorc , but a pi- 
thy and iweet Ipeech , to the fame pur- 
*^' pofe,which the firft day he madejV/;^.of 
^^ the end of the Conference , meet to bee 
'^ had^ hee faid, by every Kjng^ at his firft 
"entrance to the Crownc ; not to inno- 
'^''vate the government preiently eftabli- 
^'^fhed^whichbylongexperience he had 
^^ found accompliflied with io fingular 
*''^ blesfings of God, 45. yeereS;,asthatno 
'^ Church upon the face of the earth more 
^^ fiourifhed,then this oi England, Bux. firft 
^^ to fettle an uniforme order through the 
*'^ whole Church.Secondly, to plant unity 
^^forthefiippresfingof Papifts and ene- 
mies to ReHgion. Thirdly, to amend 
abuieS;,as naturall to bodies politike^ & 
corrupt man,as thefhadow to thebody^, 
which once beingentred;, hold on as a 
wheele^his motion once Cct going. And 
becaule many grievous complaints had 
beene made to him , fince his hrft en- 

^^ trance 


before the K^gs Adajefly. 1% 

" trance into the Land, he thought it bePc 
^' to iend for Ibme^whom his Majefiy un- 
^*^ derftood to be the moft grave, learned 
^^ and modcft of the agreeved fort, whom 
'^^ being there prelent^hee was now ready 
''*' to heare at large^w^hat they could obje(5l 
'^ or lay • and fo willed them to begin ; 
whereupon they foure kneeling downe^, 
D. ^inalds the Foreman ^ after a fliort 
Preamble gratulary , and fignifyinghis 
Majejiies Summons ^by vertue whereof, 
they then, and there appeared^ reduced all 
matters difliked, or queftioned into thefe 
foure heads. 

1 That the Dodrine of the Church 
might be prelerved in purity according to 
Gods Word. 

2 That good Paftors might bee planted 
in all Churches to preach tht (ame. 

3 That the Church government might 
be fincerely miniftred^according to Gods 

4 That the Booke of common Praier 
might be fitted to more increafe of Piety. 


24- ThefHmmeoftheConferejKe 

I For the firft;, hee mooved his Majejly 
that the Booke oi trucks ofreligion;,con- 
eluded, 1561. might be explaned in places 
oblcure^and enlarged where fome things 
were defe^ive.For example;, whereas^c7. 
1 6. the words are thel'e : After W€ have re- 
ceived the holy Ghoft , wee may depart 
from Grace : Notwithftanding^the mea- 
ning be lbund;,yet he defired that^becaufe 
they may leeme to be contrary ;,to the Do- 
ctrine of Gods Predeftination and eledti- 
onin the 17. j4rt'icle y both thofe words 
might be explaned with this, or the like 
addition^Yet neyther totally, nor finally 5 
and alio that the mne aflercions Ortho- 
doxall -, as hee termed thern, concluded 
upon at Lamheth^ might bee inlerted into 
that Booke of ^rf/f /a. 

2 Secondly^ where it is (aid in the 25. 
J^rtkle^ that it is not lawfull ^ for any 
man^to take upon h im the office of Prea- 
ching or adminiftring the Sacraments^in 
the congregation . before he be lawfully 


before t he K^ngs Maje fly. zsr 

called, D.^ln. tooke exception tothefe 
words. In the Congregation^as inaplying 
a lawfulnefle for any man wharibever, 
out of the Congregation , to preach and! 
adn?iinifter the Sacraments • thoiidi he 
had no lawful! calling thereunto. 

Thirdly;, in the 25. j//*f/c/c,thele words- 
touching Confirmation^ grownc partly 
of the corrupt following the Apoftles, 
being oppofite to thofc in the CoUedl of 
Confirmation in the Communion 
Booke;,upon whom after the example of 
the Apoftles^arguC;, laith he, a contrariety 
each to other . the fii'ft, confcsfins; Con- 
firmation , to be a deprayed imitation of 
the Apoftles . the iecond , grounding it 
upon their example,^t^.8.and 9. as if the 
Bifliop in Confirming of child ren^jdid by ' 
his impofing of hands ^ as the Apoflles 
in thole places^, give the vifible graces of 
the holy Ghoft^and therefore hee defired 
that both the contradi(5lion rriight be. 
confidered^^and this groundof Confirma- 
tion examined, 

' > • "i • £ Thus 

zd. Thjt^^me of the Cmfererrce 

Thus farre Opiaor (!^j^- wpnt on with- 
out aqy interruption : but;,here,as he wasL- 
proceeding, the RifTiop oiLonion , much 
raooved to heare thefe meji , who fcnae ^ 
of them the fevehing before;,and the (aix^e 
mornings hadoi^de femblance;^ of joy- 
ningwich the BiflhopS;, ai,id that they 
fought for nothing but unity, now ftrike . 
to overthrow, ( if they could) all ^t once, 
cut him off, and kneeling downe, moft 
humbly defire^d bis. Mfjefiy.,Btii, •.That 
the ancient Caj^on remembred;, 
which iaith, that Schifmatkl contra Epip 
cofoSyUonfunt audiendi. Secondly , that i( 
any of thele parties were in the number 
of the thouiand Minifters , who had 
once lubfcribed to the Communion 
Booke ., and yet had. lately exhibited a 
Petition to his Majefiy j, againft it, they 
might be removed and not heard , accor- 
ding to the Decree of a very ancient 
Councelljproyiding, th^t no man fliould 
bee admitted to fpeake againft that, 
whereto hee had formerly fubfcribed: 

.: Thirdly, 

before the l^ngsMcij&sij. ly 

Thitaiy^he puG-D: 5^^/iaMi:an his AflTo 
ciates iti rtiindevhow rtluch Aey were 
bound CO his" Majvflivs ' ekceWing gfbac 
clenndricy, ih ' di'it "flWy \vet^ 'ptrtViie^ec!^ 
contrary to the Sr.ttutc. I Mr. to (beak^io 
ireely againftthe Leicurgy and DHcipHne 
eilabhflied. Laftly, fotalinilch as that hee 
perceived they tooke'a cbtirletendiiig'to 
the utter overthrow of the orders of the 
Church;,thus long continued^ hee dejtlred 
Ed know the end which they aiiiied '.it^ 
*illedo;incr a place out ofM. CarnV'irflk^ 
arhrmincr that wee ou2;ht rather to con- 
rorme our Tehees itt ot'detS' afid CeF^nior:, 
nies to the fafhion of the Twrfe;;iitM"to 
the Papifts 5 w^hich Pofition hee doubted 
they approved;, becaufe^, contrary to thq 
ofdei's 6f the Vrti verfities, they appddred 
before his Mijcjly in Turky goWnto, not , 
in their SchoUftrcall habits, forcing to. 
thieirdcgree?.' •■"'::''';;•' '';"' ' ' 
'' ^' Hfs mjeffy perfc^iyi^'ttf l:6f^' o^ 
*^- Loudon to (pcake irt forne pasfibn'^' iaid, 
^^ chat thcrewas iri itfomth'rA2;wHi<:^fT' We 
E z '^ might 

2S Thefumme of the Conference 

^^ cnighc cxcufe/omthing that he did ilrgi id 

'^'^hke : excuft his pasfion he might;, thin- 
" ip moved, 
^^ both in relped; , that they . did thus tra- 
^^ duce the prelent well fttled Church Go- 
" vernment-5c alfo,did proceedinlo indi- 
" reft a courie^jContrary to their own pre- 
*''ience,6c the.intent of that meeting al(a: 
yet he mifliked his fudden interruption^ 
*'*' of D.'l^m.who he fhoujd h,^ve fuffered 
^^ to have taken his courfe andliberty^cpn- 
*^^ eluding that there is no order^^nor can be 
'*'any effedlual iflue of dilputation^ifeach. 
^^ party might not bee (liffered ^ without 
*^ chopping^ to fpeake at large what hee. 
^' would. And therefore willed that either 
^*' the Doctors fliould proceed, or that the 
'' Bifliop would frame his anfwer tothcfc 
'^motions already made * although^ faith 
^*^ his Majefly, Ibme of them are very need- 
*'Mefle ! It was thought fitter to aniwer, 
left the number of objedions incrcafing, 
clie aniwers would prove confuied. 
Upon the firfl motion^ Concerning fal- 
^>r • . ^^ ' - J. 

before the I{ings ^dajejly. zp 

liner from Grace -The Bifhop ot London 
tookeoccafion to fignifie to his Majejiy^ 
how very many in thefe daies, neglecting 
hoHnelTe of Hfe, prefumed too much of 
perfifting of Grace ^ laying all their Reh- 
gionuponPreJcftination, If I fliall bee 
faved^l fliall be faved • which he termed a 
deiperate Do6lrine,fhewing it to be con- 
traiyto good Divinity ^ and the true do- 
d:rineof Predeftination, wherein, wee 
fliould lealon rather ajcoulendoy then de- 
fcendendo y thus ; I live in obedience to 
Godpin love with my neighbor^ I follow 
my vocation, &c. therefore I truft that 
God hath elected me , and prcdeftinatcd 
me to lalvation : not thus, which is the 
ufuall courie of argument , God hatli 
prcdeftinatcd and cholen me to life^there- 
fore though I fin never Co grievoufly, yet 
I fliall not be damned : for whom he once 
loveth, he loveth to the end. Whereupon 
he fliewed his Majejly out of the next^r- 
t/c/e,what was thedodrine of the Church 
oCEngUni^ touching Predeftination , iiv 

E 3 the 

io nefHmme of the Conference 

the very lafl: Paragraph, fcil. Wee muft 
receive Gods promiies, in fuchwilc, as 
they bee generally iet forth to us in holy 
Scrip ture^and in our doings, that the will 
of God IS to be followed, which we have 
exprelly declared unto us in the Word of 
'^' God '.which part of the Article his Af^yV; 
(iy very well aprooved^and after he had, 
after his manner,very Angularly dilcou- 
fed on that place of P^/^/, Work out your 
^-ialvation with feare and trembling j he' 
^'^ left it to bee confidered, whether any 
^^ thing w^ere meet to bee added, for the 
^^ clearing of the Doctor his cloubt,bypuc- 
^^ ting in the word Often, orthehke, as 
^^ thus, We may often depart from Grace j 
"but in the meanetime , wiftcd that the 
Doctrine of Predeftination might bee 
very tenderly handled , and with great 
difcretion,leil: on the one fide,Gods onl- 
'^ nipotency might be callec! in qneftiori^ 
''^ by impeaching the dodrineofhiseri^^- 
" nail pFedefl:ination,or on the other,ade- 
*^ Iperate prefiimption might be arrea^red; 


before the Kjj^p Adajefly. ; i 

^^ by inferring the neceflary certainty of 
^* Handing and perfifting in grace. 

To the fecond it was anfvvered, that it 
was a vaine objC(5tion , becaufe , by the 
Dodrineand praclile of the Church of 
England^ none^ but a hcenced Minifter, 
might preach, nor cyther publikely or 
privately adminifter the Euchanft , or 
'^ the Lords Supper. And as for private 
*' Baptifhie,hisMyf^>'anrwered,that he 
^^had taken order for that with the 
'^ Bifhops already. 

In the third point ( which was about 
Confirmation ) was obftrved ey ther cu- 
ripfity , or malice , becau(e the Article 
which was there prelently read, in tho(e 
words J Theft five commonly called Sa- 
craments, that is to fay. Confirmation, 
Penance, Orders, &cc, are not to bee ac- 
counted for Sacraments of the Gofpell, 
being fuch as have growne partly of the 
corrupt following the Apoftlcs, 6cc. In- 
fimuteth, that the making of Confirma- 
tion,to be a Sacramenc,is a corrupt imita- 

31 Thefumme of the Conference 

rion -but the Communion Booke;,aiming 
at the right u(e,and proper courfe thereof, 
make it to be according to the Apoftles 
example ; which his Majefly oblerving^ 
and reading both the places^ concluded 
the objedbion to be a meere cavill. And 
this was for the pretended contradi6ti- 

Now for the ground thereof, theBi- 
fliop o( London added , that it was not Co 
much founded upon the places in the 
J'cls of the Apoftles , which fome of the 
Fathers had often fhewed • but upon 
Hei.6,i.where it is made^ as the firfl: day 
he had faid, a part of the Apoftles Gate 
chifme j which was the opinion, befidc 
the judgement of the holy Fathers ^ oi 
Mafter CalVin, and D.F«//;e/the one upon 
Heb.6.i.2LS upon Saturday hec had decla- 
redj the other upon ^Eis S.verf! i/.whcre 
with S,^uguHine,ht faith,that we do not^ 
in any wile miflikethat ancient Ceremo- ' 
ny (of impofition of hands, for ftrength- 
ning and confirming iuch as hadbeene 


before the Ki^gs Majefly. 5 j 

Baptized ) but ufe it in our (elves ^ being 
nothing cire,but,as S. ^ujlen affinnech^ 
Prayer over a man to be ftrengchned and 
confirmed by the holy Ghoft : or to re- 
ceive incrcaie of the gifts of the holy 
Ghofl:,asS.y/??//vo/c (aith j and a lide af- 
ter alludeth unto Hr/'. 6. 1^ &c. Neyther 
need there any great proofe of this ( (aith 
my Lord) For confirmation to be unlaw- 
fiill^itwas n^heir opiniOjWho objedied 
thiS;,ashefuppoled^this was it that vex- 
ed them, that they had not the uie thereof 
in their owne hands, every Paftor in his 
Parifli to confirme, for then it would bee 
accounted an Apoftolicall inftitutionjand 
willed D.(/^'m. to fpeake herein what hee 
thought : whofeemedto yeeld thereun- 
to, replying that fome Dioceffe of a Bi- 
fhop, having therein fix hundred Parifli 
Churches (which number cauled theBi- 
fhop of London to think himfelf perfbnal- 
ly touched, becauft in his Dioceffe there 
are 609^ or there, abouts ) it was a thing 
very inconvenient to comit cofirmation 

F unto 

54- Thefumme of the Conference 

untotheBifliop alone, (uppofing it im- 
posfible thac hce could take due examina- 
tion of them all , which came to be con- 
firmed. To the fa6l, my Lord oiLondon 
anRvered ^ for his Majejiies information, 
that the Bifhops in their ViiitationS;,give 
out notice to them , who are defirous 
eyther to be themfelves , or to have their 
children confirmed, of the place where 
they wil be- 6c appoint eyth^feheir Chap- 
laines, or fome other Minifters, to exa- 
mine them which are to be confirmed, 
and lightly confirme none, but eyther by 
the teftimony, or report of the Par(bns 
or Curates where the children are bred, 
and brought up. To the opinion hce re- 
plied, that none of all the Fathers ev£r 
admitted any to confirme but Bifhops 
alone ,• yea even S Jerome him(elfe,though 
otherwift no friend to BifhopSjby realbn 
ofaquarrellbetweene the Biftiop ofJe* 
r«/a/«^wandhim,yet confeffcth, that the 
execution thereof was reftrained to Bi- 
fhops ovidy jjid honor em fotius Sacerdoty^. 


before the K^ngs Majesty. 5 5 

quam ad legts necesjttatem. Whereof^ name- 
ly of this Prerogative of Bidiops, hegi- 
vech this realon , Ecckfut film injummi 
Sacerdotis dignitate fzndtt -^ cut ft non cxors 
qu(tdam <t cib omnibus cm'inens dctur po= 
tejlas^ tot in Ecclcfijs efficercntur fafmata^ 
qun Sacerdotes. My Lord Bifhop of JFm^ 
chejler chalenged Doctor Reynolds ^ wil- 
ling him, of his learning, to flhew where 
ever he had read, that Confirmation was 
at all uied in Ancient times by any other 
butBifhopSjand added withall, that it 
was iiled , partly to examine Children, 
and after examination , by impofition of 
hands ( which was a Cercmonie of blef- 
fingamongthe le'^es ) to bleffe them and 
pray over them : and partly to tiy Avhe- 
ther they had beene Baptized in the right 
forme or no.For in former ages Baptilme 
was adminiftrcd in divers Torts : fome 
gave it , In nomine patris c^ filij , Crr. 
Others, In nomine pah'is majoris^ ^ filtj jnt- 
?/am^ as the ^r;7^?rj did ; fbme, /;/ nomiue 
patris ftr filium^in fpiritu J^n^o : Others, 

F 1 not 

2,6 The fumme of the Conference 

not in the name of theTrinity, but in the 
death of Chrift, &c. Whereupon Catho- 
lick Bithops were conftrained to examin 
them who were Baptized in remotis^ farre 
from them^ how they were taught to be- 
leeve, concerning Baptilme • If it were 
rightjto confirme them j if amifle, toin- 

His Majejly conckided this pointy firfl: 
by taxing S. lerome for his affertion ^ that 
a Bifhop was not Diviw^ ordhiationis- 
(theBifhop of Lo«^o« thereupon^ infcr- 
ting, that unleffehee could prove his or- 
dination lawful! our of the Scriptures, 
hee would not bee a Bifliop 4.houres ) 
which opinion his Majejiy much di- 
^'^ ftafted;, approving their calling and ufe 
^^ in the Church , and clofed it up with 
*' this fliortAphorifme, No Bifliop, no 
^^King. Secondly,for Confirmation, his 
^^Highnejfe thought, that it Ibrtcd ney- 
^^ ther with the authority , nor decencie 
*^ of the lame , that every ordinary Pa- 
J^ftorfliouW doe it : and therefore fiid, 


before the I{wgS(!^A^aj€fiy. ij 

^' that for his part , he meant not to take 
'^ that from the Bifliops, which they had 
^' folong retained and enjoyed-ieeingas ic 
*^ plealed him to adde^as great realbn^jthat 
^^ none fhould confirme without thcBi- 
"fliops licence, as none.fiiould preach 
" without his licence, and fo referrina^ as 
^^ the day before, the word Examination^, 
^^ to be added to the Rubrike in the title of 
^^ Confirmation in the Communion 
*''^Booke, if it were thought good fo to 
" doe J he willed D.5^' proceed. 

Who after that he had deprecated the 
imputation of Schifme, with a protefta- 
tion, that he meant not to gall any man ; 
gocth on to the 37. Jrttcle ^ wherein 
hee (aid thele words. The Bifliop of 
Q{ome hath no authority in this Land, 
not to bee fufficient, unlcffe it w^ere ad- 
ded, nor ought to >Have. Whereat his 
Majejiy heartily laughed , and fo did the 
Lords : the Kl^ig adding an anfwer, 
which the Rhetoricians call, 'iy^mfxa «a^>- 
%'w^. What (peake you of the Popes 

Fj authority 

:58 The fumme of the Conference 

^^ authority here ? Hahemm jure quod habe^ 
^^ mm^ and therefore , in as much as it is 
''^ faid;,h.e hath not^it is plaineenough,that 
^' he ought not to have. 

This^and fome other motions fteming 
both to the King and Lords very idle 
and frivolous , occafion was taken , in 
lome by-talke , or leraember a certaine 
delcription^which Mafter Sutler oiCanu 
bridge made of a Puritane, Viz^. APuri- 
taine is a Proteftant frayed out of his 
wits.ButmyLord oi London^ there feri- 
oufly put his Majefy in minde of the 
Ipeeches , which the French Embaffador 
Mafter ^ogne gave out concerning our 
Church of England y both at Canterbury 
after his arrivall ; and after^ at the Court, 
upon the view of our iblemne fcrvice and 
ceremonies, namely, that if the reformed 
Churches in France had kept the lame 
orders among them which we have^, hec 
was affured tijat there would havcbeenc 
many thoufands of Proteftants more 
there, then now there are : and yet our 


before the J{ings Adajefly. 3 9 

men ftamble and ftraine at thefe petty 

quillets, thereby to difturbc and diigrace 

the whole Church. 

After this the D. moved that this pro- ^^ 
pofition, The intention of the Miniftcr 
is not of the cflence of the Sacrament, 
might be added unto the Booke of Ar- 
ticles ^ the rather becauie that Ibme in 
England had preached it to bee eflentiall. 
And here againe he remembred the nine 
^^ Orthodoxail aflertions concluded at 
^^ LambctJ\]r\isMaje(Iy utterly difliked that 
" firft part of the motion for two realons : 
*^ Firft, thinking it unfit to thruft into the 
''*' Booke every pofition negative, which 
**^ would both make the Booke fvvell in- 
'^ to a Volume as big as the Bible,and alio 
'' confound the Reader • bringing for e- 
^' xample the courfc of one Wi. Craig in the 
'^ like ca(e in Scotland ^ w^ho with his, I re- 
'^ nounce and abhorre,his dcteftations 3c 
" abrcnunciations , did fo amaze the 
^^ fimple people, that they , not able to 

conceive all thole things , utterly gave 



^o Tl^efumme of the Conference 

" over all/allingbacke to Popery ;, or rc- 
" maining dill in their former ignorance. 
^'^ Yea, if I ,iaid his M/je/?)', (hould have 
*^' been bound to his forme^the confesfion 
"^'of my faith mud have beene in myta- 
^'^ble-booke^notinmyhead. But becaulc 
" you fpeake of Intention , faith his 
'^ Hi^hnejfe^ I will apply it thus. If you 
*' come hither with a good intention, to 
^' be informed,66 latisfied where you flial 
^^ findejuftcaule, the whole worke will 
^^ Con to the better effecSt • but if your In- 
^^tentionbetogoe as you came ( what- 
*'^ foever fhall bee (aid ) it will prove that 
" the Intention is verymateriall^and eflens 
^^ tiall to the end ofthis preftnt adtion.To 
the other part for the nine Aflertions, his 
Majejiy, could not fuddenly anRver , be- 
cauie hee underftood not what the Do- 
ctor meant by thofe Aflertions or Pro- 
pofitions at Lambeth j but when it was 
informed his Maje[1y , that by reafonof 
fome controverfieS;, arifing in Qamhrldge, 
about certaine points of Divinity, my 


before the Kipg^ Majefty. 4.1 

Lords Grace aflembled (bme Divines of 
efpeciall noce^ to fee downe their opini- 
ons^ which they drew into nine AiTerti- 
ons, and fo ient them to the Univerficy^ 
for theappeafing of thole quarrells ,• then 
hisMajejJy anfwered j Firft^ that when 
fuch qiieftions arile among SchoUers^ the 
quieteft proceeding were, to dciermine 
them in the Llriverfities , and not to 
ftiiffe the Booke with all conclufions 
Theologicall. Secondly ;,the better courle 
vvpuld bee to punifh the broachers of 
falle Do6lrine , as occafion , fhould bee 
offered : for w^ere the Articles never Co 
many and found, who can prevent the 
contrary opinions of men till they bee 
heard f 

Upon this the Deane of ^aulcs 
kneeling downe y humblie defired 
leave to fpeake , lignifying unto his 
Mj/ViT), that this matter Ibmewhat 
more nearely concerned him ;, by rea- 
Ion of controverfie betweene him 
and Ibmc other in Camhrtdge , upon a 

G propofitioUj 

41 The Jpinme of the Conference 

prppofition , which hec had dchvered 
there-Namely^thac whofbever ( although 
before juftificd ) did commie any grie- 
vous fin, as Adukery;,Murder,Treafon,or 
the like ^did become^ tpfo faclo^ (ubje6l to 
Gods vvrath^and guilty of damnation^ or 
were in ftate of damnation (quoad prmt^ 
fentem [latum ) untill they repented j ad- 
ding hereunto , that thole which were 
called and juftified according to the pur- 
pole of Gods eledtion, howlbever they 
might, and did;, fometime fall into grie- 
vous fins , and thereby into the prelent 
ftate of wrath and damnation ,• yet did 
never fall^either totally from all the gra- 
ces of God to bee utterly deftitute of all 
the parts and feed thereof, nor finally 
from juftification, but were in time re- 
newed^by Gods Spirit^unto a lively faith, 
aind repentance ^ and fb juftified from 
thofe finneSp and the wrath, curft, and 
guilt annexed thereunto, whereinto they 
are fallen, and wherein they lay , fo long 
^s they were without true repentance 


before the K^ngs Majesty. 43 

for the (ame. Againft which Do Arine^hee 
laid , that fome had opppfed , teaching, 
that all llich perfbns as were once truly 
juftifiedjthough after th:y fell into never 
io grievous fins , yet remained ftill juft, 
or in the ftate of juftification;, before they 
adually repented of thole fins j yea^, and 
though they never repented of them^ 
through forgerfulnefie or fodaine death, 
yet they fhould bee juftified and faved 
without repentance. In utter diflike of 
*'*'this Dodlrine, his Mj;>/?)ientredintoa 
^^ longer ipeech of Prcdeftination, and re- 
^^ probation/han beforehand of the necef- 
" lary conjoyning repentance & hoUnefle 
'^ of life with true faith : concluding, that 
''^ it was hypocrifie,and not true juftifying 
"faith, which was fevered firom them: for 
^^'^ although Predeftination and Ele6lion 
" depend not upon any qualities,a(5tions, 
^"^ or worksof man^which bemutable,but 
"^ upon God his eternall & immutable de- 
'^^ crec and purpofe^yet fiich is the necesfity 
'^'^ of repentance, after knowne fins com- 
Gi mitted. 

44- Thefummeofthe Conference 

'^micted,as that, without it^therc could 
^^ not be, eyther reconciliation with God^ 
^^or remisfion ofthofe fins. 

Next to this, D. ^inolds complained^ 
that the Catechifme in the Common 
Prayer Booke,was too briefe ;, for which 
one by M . NoH^ell late Dcane of Tauls 
was added ;, and that too long for young 
Novices to learne by heart • requefted 
therefore;, that one uniforme Catechifme 
might be made, which;, and none other, 
might bee generally received , it was de- 
manded of him, whether if, to the fliort 
Catechifiiie in the Communion Booke, 
fbmethingw^ere added for the Dodtrine 
of the Sacrament, it would not lervc ? His 
Majejly thought the Dodors requeft ve- 
ry reaibnable : but yet (b, that hee would 
" have a Catechifme in the fewefl Sc plai- 
^' ncft affirmative termes that may be: tax- 
^^ ing withal, the niiber of ignorant Cate- 
*^ chifines fet out in Scotland ^ by every one 
^^ that was the Son of a Good man : in(b- 
^^ much, as, that which was Catechifme 


before the K^gs ^itAdajejiy. 45 

doiStriae in one Congregation^pW^isin 
another , Icarcely iic<:epted as found 
and Orthodox ; wiflied therefore, one 
to bee made and agreed upon, adding 
this excellent, gnornicall and Canon-, 
like Conclufion, that in reforming of 
a Church , hee would have two rules 
oblerved ^ firft that old , curious, deepe 
and intricate queftions might bee a- 
voided in, the fundamental! inftrudli- 
on of a people. Secondlv^ that there 
fliould not bee any (uch departure from 
thePapifts in all things, as that;,bccaufe 
Uveein (bme points agree with them; 
^ therefore we fhould be accounted tote 
in error. ' 

To the former, Dodlor Remolds did 
adde the prophanation of the Sabbath 
day^and contempt of his Maje/iies Procla- 
mation, made for the reforming of that 
abuft, of which hee earneftly defired a 
ftraighter courie for reformation thereof, 
and unto this he found a generall and ua^ 
animous alTent ..c>il^ 

G } Aftet 

^6 The fumme of the Conference 

After thac,hce moved his Majefly , that 
there might bee a new Tranflation of the 
Bible,becaure,thofe which were allowed 
in the reigne of King Henry the Eighty 
and Ed-^pard the fixt, were corrupt , and 
not anfwerabletothe truth of the Origi- 
nail. For example, firft^ Galatians 4. 25. 
the Greke word <rv^iyj?', is noc well tran- 
flated, as now it is ; Bordereth , neyther 
expresfing the force of the word, nor the 
Apoftles fenic, nor the fituation of the 

Secondly, Tfalme 105. 28. They were 
not obedient ; The originall being, They 
were noc difobedient. 

Thirdly, TJalme 106. ver(e 30. Then 
flood up Thinees and prayed , the He- 
brew hath , Executed judgement. To 
which motion,there was, at the prcftnt, 
no gainfaying, the objedions being tri- 
vial!, and old, and already in print , of- 
ten anlwered j onely my Lord of London 
well added, that if every mans humor 
fhould be followed, there would bee no 


before the I{ings Adajejly. 47 

'^end of cranflating. Whereupon his High- 
^^ nejje wiQied, that fome efpeciall paines 
*^ fhoLild bee taken in that behalfe fot one 
^^ uniforme tranflation(profesfing that he 
^^ could never,yet,lee a Bible well tranfla- 
^^i^mEnglip?^ but the worft of all his 
^^ Majefty thought the Gc?teVa to bee ) and 
*^*'this to bee doneby thebeft learned in 
^' both the Univeriities, after them to bee 
'^'^ reviewed by the Bifhops, and the chiefe 
**^ learned of the Church ; from them to be 
^^ prclentcd to the Privy Counceljand laft- 
'^ ly,to be ratified by his Royall authcwity^ 
*^' and Co this whole Church to be bound 
unto it^and none other : Mary, wichall, 
he gave this caveat ( upon a word cart 
out by my Lord of Lo?/£^ow) that no Mar- 
ginal! Notes fhould be added ;> having 
^^ found in them which are annexed to the 
^^ Geneva tranflation (which hee law in a 
^^ Bible given him by an E)igltp? Lady ) 
'^ IbmeNotes very partially untrue, fediti- 
^^ ous, and favouring too much of dange- 
^^rous, and traiterous conceits. As for ex- 

4-8 TIjefumme of the Conference 

'*^ ample, the fir ft Chapter oi Exodus and 
^^ the nineteenth Ver(e,where the margi- 
*:^rnall Note alloweth Dilobedience unto 
" King.And i. Chro.i^^ \6. the note taxeth 
^^ ^fa for depofing his mother, onely,and 
^^inot kilUng her : And (b concludeth this 
^^ point as all the reft,\vith a grave and ju- 
*^^ dicious advice. Firft^ that errors in mat- 
^^ ters of Faith might bee rectified and 
^'amended. Secondly ;, that matters in- 
^' different might rather be interrupted, 6c 
^^ a gloffe added ; alleaging from Oartolus 
^^ de reg;7io,that,as better a King with (bme 
^^ weakneffe, than ftill a change- lb rather 
^^ a Church with Ibme faults^thaan fnho- 
'^ vation. And fiirely, faith his Majejiy , if 
^^ theie be the greateft matters you be grie- 
^' ved withal heed not have been troubled 
^^ with fitch importunites 3c complaints, 
^^ as have beene made unto me • Ibme o- 
^'^ther more private courle might have 
^^ beene taken for your fatisfadion, and 
'^ withall , looking upon the Lords, hee 
^^^niookehis head,lmiling. 


before the Icings Majesty. ^^ 

The kft point ( noted by Dodor g 
^tnolds ) in this firfl: head, for Doctrine, 
was^ that unlawful! and (editious Books 
might bee fupprefled, at leaft reftained, 
and imparted to a few: forbythehber- 
ty of pubhfhing fuch Bookes, fb com- 
monly , many young SchoUers^ and un- 
letled minds in both Llniverfities ^ and 
through the whole Realme , were cor- 
rupted and perverted ; naming for one 
inllance , that Booke entituled , J)e ju- 
re Ma^iflrcitus in Suhditos , publiflied of 
late , by Fklerus a Papift;, and applied 
- againft the Queenes Majefty that laft 
was/or the Pope : The Bifhop of Lon^ 
don (uppofing^as it feemed;, himlelfc to be 
principally aimed at , anfwered , firft, 
to the generall , that there was nodich 
licentious divulging of thole Bookes , as 
hee imagined or complained of : and 
that none ^ except it were fuch as Do- 
(5lor (?^/w. who were fuppofed , would 
conlumc them^ had liberty by autho- 
rity to buy them : Againe ^ luch Bookes 
H canK 

50 Thefumme of the Conference 

came into the Realmc , by many lecret 
conveiances, fo that there could not bee 
a perfect notice had of their importati- 
on : Secondly^ to the particular inftance 
ofFiclerus^ heeiaid;, that the Author T>e 
jure ^ <s*c. was a great Difciplinarian . 
whereby it did appeare y w^hat advantage 
chat fort gave unto the Papifts;, whoww- 
tatis ferfonis , could apply their owne 
Arguments againft Princes of the Reli- 
gion : but for his owne part hee laid ^ hee 
detefted both the Author , and the Appli- 
er alike. My Lord Clctll here taxing alio 
the unlimited liberty of the dilperfing 
and divulging thele' Popifh and ieditious 
Pamphlets , both in ^auls Qmrch-yard^ 
andtheUniverfities, inftanced one late- 
ly let forth , and publiflied • namely, 
SpeculumTragicuniy which both his Ma-^ 
jely and the Lord.H Hon^ard^ now Earle 
of Northampton , termed a dangerous 
Booke both for matter and intention : 
and the Lord Chancellor , alio dividing 
all fuch Bookcs into Latine and Engl'tjh^ 


before the Icings Majesty. 51 

concluded^ that theft laft , difpcrftd, did 
mod harme : yet the Lord Secrctaric 
affirmed;, that my Lord of London had 
done therein what might be , for the fup^ 
presfingofthcm^and that hee knew no 
man el(e , had done any thing in that 
"kindebuthee. At lengthy itpleaftdhis 
^'^ excellent iA/iy>/?)',totcll D.^t'/«. that hee 
was a better Colledge-man then a States 
man • for if his meaning werc,totax die 
^^ Bifhop "of London , for iliffering thofc 
*^'^bookeS;,bctvveene the Secular Priefts, dc 
^^ lediitcs lately publifhed , (b freely to 
*'*' pafTe abroad ,• His Majejly would have 
^"^ him and his AflTociates to know , and 
^•^ willed them alfo to acquaint their adhc- 
*^'' rents and friends abroad therewith;,thac 
^'^ the (aid Bifhop was much injured and 
^' flandered in that behalfc, who did no- 
^'' thing therein, but by warrant from the 
" Lords of the Councell, whereby^ both 
^^ a Schifme betweene them was nouri- 
" died, and alfo his Majeflies ownc caufe 
"and Title handled ; the Lord (la/ affir- 
H 2 ming 


5Z The fumme of the Conference 

ming thereunto, that therefore they were 
tolerated^ becaufe;, in thenl;, was the Title 
of S/?4/?/e confuted* The L. Treafurer ad^ 
ded; that Doctor ^In, might have ob- 
ferved another ufe of thofc Bookes j yi:^, 
that now by the Teflimonie of thole 
Priefts themlHveS;, her late Maj efy 2ini 
the State were cleared of that imputati- 
on y of putting Papifts to death , for 
their confciences onely , and for their 
Relligion^feeing;, intholc Bookes y they 
themfelves confefle ^ that they were exe- 
cuted for treaibn. D. 5^m. excufedhim- 
felfe , expounding his complaint ^ not 
meant of filch bookeS;, as had bin printed 
in Bnglandyhuz fiichas came from beyond 
the Seas^as Commentaries both in Philo- 
fophy and Divinity. And thcfe were the 
parts of the firfl; head ;, concerning Purity 


before the I^^g^ Adajejly. 55 

To the fecond generall point concer- 
ning the planting of Minifters learned in 
every Paridi^it pleafed his Majefly to an^ 
fwer^ that he had confuked with his Bi- 
fliops about that, whom he found wil- 
" ling and ready, to fecond him in it : in- 
" veighing herein , againft the negligence 
''^ajid carelefheflepwhich he heard of many 
*^^ in this landjbut, as Subita e'Vacuatw^ was 
^^ periculofa^ fb ftihkci mutatio. Therefore 
^^ chis matter was not for a pre(ent re- 
*^ fblution , becaule to appoint to every 
*''^Parifli a fufficienc Minifter were im- 
^^posfible , the Liniverfities would not 
''afford them. Againe , hee had found 
^^ already , that he had more learned men 
'^ in this Realme , then hee had fufficient 
*^ maintenance for- fo that maintenance 
^^ mufl: firft be provided;, and then the o- 
'^ ther to be required : In the meane time^ 
*^ ignorant Minifters^ifyoungjto be remo- 
'^ ved,if there were no hope of their amed- 
^^ ment • if old, their death mufl: bee expe- 
^^ ded ;, that the next courft may be better 

H 3 fupplicd 

54- The fumme of the Conference 

fupplkd : and ib concluded this pointy 
with a moft religious and zealous prote- 
ftation;, of doing ibmething daily in this 
cafe , becaule lerufalem could not bee 
built up in a day. The Bifliop oiWrnche- 
y?er madeknownetothe K}ng^ that this 
indifficiency of the Clergy ^ bee it as it is^ 
comes not by the Biflhops defaults , but 
partly by Lay Patrons , who prefent very 
meane men to their Cures ^ whereof ^ in 
himftlfe, hee fliewedan inftancc, how 
that fince his being Bifhop of Wtnche- 
sievy very few Mafters of Arts ;, were pre- 
fented to good Benefices : partly , by the 
Law of the land^, which admittcth of a ve- 
ry meane and tolerable (ufficiency in any 
Gierke, (b that if theBidiopfliouldnoc 
admit them^thcn prefently^ja^wf^r^ impedit, 
islentout againft him. 

Here my Lord of Lonim , kneeling, 
humbly defired his Majefy ( becauft hcc 
law, as he faid, it w^as ^ time of moving 
Petitions ) that hee might have leave , to 
^ake two or three.Firft, that there might 


before the ^^gs Majejly. 5 5 

bee araongft us , a Praying Miniftery 
another while j for whereas , there are, 
in the Miniftery , many excellent duties 
to be performed , as the ablblving of the 
penirent^prayingfor^and blesfing of the 
people, admimliring of the Sacraments, 
and the like ; it is come to that pafTe 
now y that lb me fort of men thought it 
the onely duty required of a Minifter ^ to 
fpend the time in fpeaking out of a Pul- 
pit . fbmetimes , God wot^ veiy undiH 
creetly and unlcarnedly : and this, with 
fb great injury and prejudice, to the cele- 
bration of Divine fervice , that fomeMi- 
nifters would be content towalke in the 
Church=yard , till Sermon time , rather 
then to be prefent at publike prayer. Hee 
confefled, that in a Church new to bee 
planted ^ preaching was mofi: neceffary ; 
but among us , now long eftablifhed in 
the faith, hee thought it not the onely ne- 
ceffary duty to be performed , and the o- 
ther to bee lb profanely neglected and 
'•^contemned. Which motion his ;V-%^/'7>' 


5(5 ^hefumme of the Conference 

'^ liked exceeding well , very acutely tax- 
ing the hypocrifie of our times , which 
placeth all Religion in the eare, through 
which, there is an eafie paflage , but 
^^ Praier, which exprefleth the hearts af- 
^^ fection^and is the true devotion of the 
'^minde, as a matter putting ustoovcr- 
^^ much trouble ( wherein there concurre, 
^^ ifpraier be as itought;,an unpartiall con-' 
^^ fideration of our owne eftates , a due c- 
^^ xamination to whom wee pray ;, an 
^^ humble confesfion of our fins, with an 
*^^ hearty Ibrrow for them ; and repen- 
" tance not fevered from faith ) is ac* 
^^ counted and uied as the leaft part of Re- 

The ftcond was , that till fiich time 
as learned and fufficient men might bee 
planted in every Congregation , that, 
godly Homilies might bee read , and the 
number of them increaftd, and that the 
Opponents would labour to bring 
them into credit againe , as formerly 
they brought them into contempt. Eve- 

before the K^ngs Majes/y. 5 7 

ryMan ( faith hec ) that can pronounce 
well^cannot indite well. 
*^^ The Kings Mdjejly approved this 
^^ motion;, efpecially, where the Uving is 
^' not (iifficient for maintenance of a lear- 
^' ned Preacher ,• as alfo in places^ where 
^^ plenty of Sermons are;, as in the City,<Sc 
'■'^ great Townes. In theCountrey villa- 
^' ges where Preachers are notnearetoge- 
"^'ther.he could wifliPreachincr.butwher 
^'^ there are a multitude of Sermons, there 
^^ he would have Homilies to be read di- 
*''■ vers times : and therein hee asked the 
'^adentofthe Plaintitfes , and they con- 
fefle it. A preaching Minifteiy;, faith 
his MajeHy , was beft , but where it 
might not be had^godly prayers and ex- 
^^ hortations did much good. That that 
^^ may be donC;, let it ;, and let the reft that 
*^*^ cannot;, be tolerated: Somewhat was 
here Jpokeu by the Lord Chancellor^ 
of livings rather wanting learned Men^ 
then learned Men livings. Many in the 
Univerficies pining;, Mafters^BacchelorS;, 

I and 

5-8 The fmme of the Conference 

and upwards : wifhing therefore^, that 
Ibme mighthavefinglecoates, before o- 
ther had dublets, and here his L. flbewed 
thecourfc;, that he had ever taken^ inbe- 
ftowing the Kings Benefices, my Lord 
of London ^ commending his Honoura- 
ble care that way;, withall excepted that a 
dublet was neceffary in cold weather : 
the h.Chancelor replied , that hee did it 
not for diflike of the liberty of our 
Church, in granting one Man two Bene- 
fices, but out of his owne private purpofe 
and pra(ft:i(ej groundedupon the fore(aid 

The laft motion,by my Lord of London 
was , that Pulpits might not bee made 
palquils, wherein every humorous , or 
dilcontented fellow might traduce his 
fuperiors. Which the King very graciouP- 
" ly accepted, exceedingly reproving that, 
^' as a lewd cuftomc; thr€atning,that if he 
'"^ mould but heare of (iich a one in a PuU 
^^ pit, hee would make him an example : 
*^*^ concluding with a ftge admonition to 





before the K^ngs Majesty. 5p 

^^ the opponents, that every Manfliould 
^^/blicite and draw his friends to make 
peace ;, and if any thing were amiffe in 
the Church officers, not to make the 
Pulpit the place of perfonall reproof^ 
^^ but to let his Majejiy hearc of it. : yet by 

Firft, let complaint be to the Ordina- 
ry of the place , from him to goe to the 
Archbifliop ; from him,to the Lords of 
" hhMajefttcs Coun(ell,andfromthem,if 
^^ in all the(e places no remedy is found^to 
'^'^ his owne lelfe, which caveat his Majc^ 
fiy put in , for that the Bifliop of London 
had told him that if he left himfelfe open 
to admit of all complaints, neither his 
Majefty fhould ever bee quiet, nor his un- 
der-officers regarded : feeing , that now 
already no fault can be cenfiired, but pre- 
ftntly the Delinquent threatneth a com- 
plaint to the Kjfig : and for an inftance, 
he added, how a Printer, whom+ieehad 
taken faulty, very lately anfwered hi^m in 
that very kindci ' ^ - f- 

1 2 D.%;;. 

6o Tloefumme of the Conference 

D. ^in. commtth now to Subfcripti^ 
on^ ( which concerneth the iomihgemrnll 
head^as he firft propounded it ;, namely^ 
Tlje communion 'Booke^ ) taking occafion 
to leape into it here;,as making the urging 
of it to bee a great impeachment to a 
learned Miniftery, and therefore intrea- 
ted^it might not be exacted as heretofore^ 
for which many good Men were kept 
out,other removed , and manydiiquie- 
ted. To fubfcribe according to the fta- 
tutesoftheReahne, namely, to the Ar- 
ticles of Religion ^ and the Kings Supre- 
macy ,they were not unwilling. The rea- 
Ibn of their backwardnefle to fubfcribe 
otherwife was , firft the Booke ^pochry^ 
fhall; w^hich the QommonJfrayer 'Booke en- 
joyned to bee read in the Church;, albeit, 
there are ^ in fbme ofthoft Chapters ap- 
pointed manifeft errors , dired:ly repug- 
nant to the Scriptures : the particular in- 
ftance>, * which hee then inferred was^ 
Ecclef, 48, los where bee charged the 
Author of that Booke , to have held 


before the Kjpgs AdLajeflj. €i 

the lame opinion with the /(?Tb« at 
this Day^namely, that £//^, in perfon^ 
was to come before Chiift^ and there- 
fore as yet Chrift by that reafbn , not 
comeintheflcflijand lb;, conlequently, 
it imply ed a deniall of the chiefe Article 
of our redemption : his rpalon of thus 
charging the Author , was, be^aule that 
Ecclns y u(ed the very word odBt'uu in 
perjouy which the Prophet M^^^ci;j, Cap. 
4. dochapplyto an£//W inrelemblancC;, 
which both an Angeli, Luke 17. and our 
Saviour Chrift^Mtf. u. didJnterprec;to 
h^John Sapti^i. The anfwerwas,, as the 
obje<5tion, twofold. Firfl, generally for 
^pocrjpha Sookes ; The Bifliop q( Lon- 
don fhewing, firft^ for the antiquity of 
them , that the moft of the objedi- 
ons made againft thole Books were the 
old Cauils of the leyi^es ,.renew^€d by 
S Jerome in his time;, who was thcfirft 
that gave them the name of yfpochry^ 
pha y which opinion , upon %ijfims 
hio challenge, hee^ after a Ibrtpdifclaimed, 

I 3 the 

6z TJye ftirnme of the Conference 

the rather , becaule a generall offence was 
taken at his fpeeches in that kinde, Firft, 
for the continuance of them i n the Church 
out of I:\jmedoncius , and Chemnitius^ two 
moderne writers. 

The Bifhop of Wmton remembred the 
diftindlion of S. lerome , Canontcifunt ad 
informandos mores , non ad confirmandam 
fidem;KNh\c\\ diftindtion he (aid, muft be 
held fot-1*}je'juftifying of fundryCoun- 
" eels. His MajcUy in the end , (aid , hee 
^' would take an even order betweene 
*"' b"oth,affirniing,that he would not wifli 
-^■^li £anon'tcall bookes to bee read in the 
^^-Church^unleflTe^chere were one to intcr- 
^^ pret^nor.any J'pochrypha dt all, wherein 
*^' there was any error, but forthe other^ 
^^ which were cleare, and corre(pondent 
^^ to the Scriptures, he would have them 
^'rcad, forel(e, (aithhis MajeUy , why 
^"^ were they printed ? and therein (hewed 
" the u(e of the bookes ofMachabees^ very 
^^ good to make up the ftory of the per(c- 
^^cution of the lems -^ but not to teach a 


before the Kij^gs Majejly. <Jj 

^*^man either to Sacrifice for the deadp or 

And here his Highnejfe arofe from his 
chaire ^ and withdrew him(elfe into his 
inner chamber a httlefpace^ in the meane 
time a great cjueftioning was amongft 
the Lords/ , abovit that place of Ecclcf. 
with which as if it had beene their reft 
and uplliotjthey began a frefh^ at his Mr^ 
''^'efZ/cj- returne • who;, leeing them ^o to 
'*^uxge it;, atid ftandupon it,caUingfora 
^'^ Bible ;, firft (hewed the Author of that 
*^ booke,who he was,then the caufe^jwhy 
'^ hee wrote that booke, next analized the 
^/Chapter itfeife;,fliewingthe precedents 
^^ and conlequents thereof- laftly , fo ex- 
^'2idi\y and Divine hke , unfolded the 
*^'' fummc of that place, arguing, ajadde^ 
**^monftrating,that whatfoever Se/z Sirach 
^' had (aid there, of Ellas ^ Ellas had in his 
'* owne perfbn^while he lived^^perf pr^-ned 
*^ and accomplifhed, fo that the Sujurrus^ 
" at the firft mention^was not fb great, as 
l^^theaftonifhment was now" at the K^ng 


6^ The fumme of the Conference 

*^^ his fodaine and (bund , and indeed^fb 
*^' admirable an interpretation ; conclu- 
*' ding J firft, with a ftrious checke to Do- 
^^ <5tor <^indlds , that it Was not good to 
^'^uTipofe upon a Man , that Was dead ;, a 
^'fenfe n^ver mentby him *- Secondly, 
^^ with a pleafant yfpofiro[>he to the Lordsj 
" What;,trow yee, make thefe Men fo an- 
^^ gJ^y with Ecdeftajiicns ? By my ibule^ I 
-^thinkehewasa Bifhop ;, or elie they 
^^ would never ufe him Co. But for thege- 
" nerall, it was appointed by his Majefiy] 
^^that Do6lor ^in, fliould note th oft 
^^ Chapters miht ^pochrypha hooke, where 
^^ thole offenfive places were, and iliould 
^^ bring them unto the Lord J^rchhijhop of 
^^ Canterbury againft ^e^wyS^j next, and 
'^ lb he was wiMed to gi)e on. 

The next Scruple againft Suhfcription 
Was : ^2iio\A Qramhe his poftta , that in 
the common Pi'ayer Booke , it is twile 
ftt downe ^ lejus 'ftid to his Difciples j 
when as by the next originall it is plaine ,• 
t]\3,tho fpah to the Tharifees, To which 


before the K^ngs Majesty. 6s 

it was anfwered , that for ought that 
could appeare by the places , hce might 
ipeakeaivvelltohis Difct^ks , theybeinc^ 
prefcnt;,as to the Tharifces. But his Mr 
yV/?> keeping an even hand, willed that 
the word J)tfc'tples fliould bee omitted, 
and the words lejus fa'id, to be printed in 
a different letter, chat might appeare, not 
to be a part of the Text. 

The third obje6lion againft Snhjcriiu 
tiouy "w^XQ Inter rogatories m^aj^t I jmc, pro- 
pounded to Infants, which being a pro- 
found point, was put upon MJ\jiewJlubs 
ro purfiie : who in a long and perplexed 
ipeech,(aid fomething out oij'uskn^ that 
^aptl^nre was credere , but what it was, 
his Maje^y plainely confcfled , Ego non 
intelligo, and asked the Lords what they 
thought hec meant ; it ftemed that one 
prefent conceived him , for hee ftanding 
at his backc, bade him urge that pundt, 
urge that pun<5l , that is a good point. 
My Lord of Winton ayraing at his mea- 
ning ^ flicwed him the ufe thereof out of 

K Saint 

66 The^umme of the Conference 

Saint JuHen , and added the Fathers rea- 
fbn for it ^ Q^i peccauit in altero , credat in 
altero j which was leconded by his Mac 
jeHy ( whom it pleaftd , for the reft of 
the matters which followed , himfelfe 
alone to anfwer ^ and juftly might hee 
appropriate it to him(elfe , for none prc^ 
fentwere ablc;, with quicker conceit to 
iinderftand, with a more fingular dexte- 
rity to refute , with a more judicious re- 
Iblution to determine , then his MajeUy : 
herein being more admirable , that thele 
points, wherein (bme thought him pre- 
judicial! to the contrary, allofus (iippo- 
" fed him to have beene but a ftranger to 
'^ them , he could fo inteUigerttly appre- 
^*^ hend and lb readily argue about them, ) 
f; it was jl fay^feconded by his Maj ejiy- fivd^ 
^' reafon that the queftion ihould be 
^^ propounded to whom it prin- 
" cipally concerned ^- Secondly ^by example 
'"^ of himfelft to whom interrogatories 
*"• were propounded when he w^as crow- 
•^^^ncd in his infancy j IQn^ of Scotland, 


before the E^n^s Majesty. 6y 

And heere his Majejiy^ ( as hereafter ac 
the end of every objection he did ) asked 
them whether they had any more to lay. 

M. I'QiewHubs tooke exceptions to the - 
CrofTein Baptilnie , beeing in number •" 
two. Firft^ the offence of Weake bre- i 
thren , grounded upon the words of 
S/Pauly (^w.14. and i Cor.^M::^ the con- 
fciencesofthe Weake , not to bee offen- 
ded : w^hich places his excellent Majejly 
anfvvered mofl acutely^ beginning; with 
that generall rule of the Fathers : D'tfi'm^ 
^^ g^ue tempora^ , <(s* co?ic&rdabnnt Scriptune^ 
'^ fhewing heere the difference of thole 
^^ times and ours,then a Church not fully 
^' planted, nor letled, but ours long ftabli- 
^''fhedand flouriflhingj then Chriftians 
^*^ newly called from Paganifine, and not 
^^ throughly grounded • which is not the 
'' cafe of this Church, feeing that Heathc- 
^^ niflh Do6trine, for many yecres hath 
^^ beene hence abandoned.Secondly,with 
" a queftion unanlwerable , asking them 
^^ how long they would be Wcake ? whe- 

K 2 ther 


6% Thejumme of the Conference 

^^ ther 45. yeereswerc not fufficient for 
'^'' them to grow ftrong ? fourthly, who 
^^ they were pretended this weakenefTe : 
'^ For we/aith the i(j>2^, require not now 
^' Subicription of Laikes and Idiots^ but 
Preachers and Minifters^ who are not 
ftill J troWpto be fed with milke^but are 
^^ enabled to feedc others -fourthly, that it 
was to be doubted , fome of them were 
ftrong enough^ if not headftrong , and 
howfoever they in this cale pretended 
" WeakenefTe, yet fome, in whole behalfe 
" they now Ipake ^ thought themlelves 
^^ able to teach him^ and all the Biflhops of 
''^ the Land. 

His objedion againft the Croffe con- 
fifted of three Interrogatories • Firfl: , 
Whether the Church had power to infti- 
tute an externall fignificant figne ? to 
which was replied^firft, that he miftooke 
the ufeof the Croile with us, which was 
not u(ed in Baptifme, any otherwift then 
onely as a ceremony : Secondly, by their 
owne example ^ who make impofition 


before the K^gs Aldjefly. tf 9 

of hands in their ordinacion of Paftors^ 
to be a figne fignificant. 

Thirdly^in prayei';, faith the Bifliop of 
Winton, the kneeHng on the ground;, the 
lifting up of our hands ^ the knocking of 
ourbrcfts, are Ceremonies fignificant. 
The firft, of our humihty comming be- 
fore the mighty God • The fecond^, of our 
confidence and hope j the other , of our 
fbrrow and deteftation of our fins , and 
thele are^and may lawfully be uled. Laft- 
ly^M. Deane of the Chappell remembred 
the pradife of the loi^es, who unto the 
infliitution of the Pafieover , prelcribed 
unto them by Mofes , had, as the Rab- 
bins witneffe , added both fignes and 
words^eating Ibwre herbs^, and drinking 
wine, with thele words, to both. Take 
and eat thele in remembrance,&:c.Drinke 
this in remembrance, &c.Upon which 
addition and tradition of theirs , our Sar- 
viour inftituted the Sacrament of his 
lafl: Supper , in celebrating it with the 
iame words ^ and after the fame manner j 

K 3 there- 

70 Thefumme of the Conference 

thereby approving that fa6l of theirs in 
particular, and generally ^ that a Church 
mayinftituce and tetaine a figne iignifi- 
cant : which (atisfied his MajeUy excee- 
ding well. ', e/ • 
^^ And here the IQn^ defired to have 
^^ himfelfe made acquainted about the an- 
^'^ ticjuity of the u(e of the Crofle , which 
D. ^ynolds confeflfed to have beene 
ever lincc the Apoftles times j but this 
was the difficulty, to prove it of that an- 
cient u(e in Baptifme. For that at their 
going abroad , or entering into the 
Church J or at their prayers and bene- 
didionSjit was u(ed by the Ancients^ dc-f 
fired no great proofe : But whether in 
Baptilme, Antiquity approved it , was 
the doubt caft in by M. Deane of 5^* 
rum y whom his MajeHy fingled out, 
with a fpeciall Encomion , that he was a 
Man well travelled in the Ancients : 
which doubt was anfwered ohfignatis ta^ 
hulps^hy the Dean oiWejlmMiery (whom 
the Kings Majesty , upon my Lord of 


before the K^ngs Majefly. y i 

Lo?2iio«i motion, willed tolpeake to that 
point) out of Te/t«//w^z, Cyprian, Origen, 
and others , that it was ufed in Immor uu 
li laVacro: which words being a little def- 
canted, it fell from one, I thinke it was 
my Lord oiVVjncheUe)\ohneryio fay, that 
in CoyiHantine his time , it was u(ed in 
*"' Baptifme.What quoth the/Sj«^,and is ic 
" now come to that palTe, that wee fliall 
^' appeach ConUantine of Popery , and fu- 
^^ perdition ? if then it were u(ed,(aith his 
*^ Majejljyl fee no reafon,bLK: that ftill w^e 
^' may continue it. 

M. K^ie'^flubs his Second cjueftion 
was,that put cafe , the Church had ilich 
power to adde fignificant fignes ^ w^he- 
ther it might there adde thern, where 
Chrifl: had already ordained one ^ which 
hee faid was no leffe derogatory , to 
Chrifb inftitucion , as hee thought, then 
if any potentate of this Land, fhould pre- 
*' fume to adde his Seale to the great Scale 
^^ oiBnglantL To w^hich his Majefly an- 
^*;lwered/hat the cafe was not alike, for 


7z The fumme of the Conference 

^' that no figne or thing was added to the 
^'' Sacrament , which was fully and per- 
^^ fedly finifhed ;, before any mention of 
"theCroffeis made^, for confirmation 
^'^ whereof, he willed the place to be read. 
Laftly, if the Church had that power 
alfb^yetthe greateft Scruple to their Con- 
Icience was , how farre fuch an ordi^ 
nance of the Church was to binde them, 
^^ without impeaching their Chriftian Li- 
^^ berty ? whereat^, the Kjng, as it ftemed, ^ 
^^ was much mooved;,and told him ;, hec 
^' would not argue that point with him^ 
^^ butanlwer therein^as Kings are wont to 
Ipeake in Parliament ;, Le ^y s^aVtfera^ 
adding withal^that it fmelled very rank- 
'^ ly of Anabaptifiiie : comparing it into 
*^' theuiageofabeardleffe boy, ( oneM. 
'*' lohn ^lack) who the laft Conference his 
'^My^^ had with the Minifters in Scot^ 
^^ Lvid^ (in December }6oi.) told him, that 
^^ hee would hold conformity with his 
^^ MajeHies ordinances, for matters of do- 
^^ drine : but for matters of Ceremonic, 


before the K^n^^s M^jesfy. 75 

^' they were to be lefcin Chriftian Liberty, 
^*^ to every man, as he received more and 
^more light;, from the illumination of 
^'^Gods fpirit^ even till they goe mad, 
*'*^ quoth the i(j>g, with their owne light : 
'*' but I will none of that ; I will have one 
'^^dodlrine, and one diiciplinc, one Re- 
^' ligion in fubftance , and in ceremo- 
"ny: and therforel charge you never to 
^^ fpeake more to that point_,(howfaryou 
^' are bound to obey?) when the Church 
" hath ordained it . And fo asked them a - 
*'^gaine,ifthey had any thing elle to lay. 

D.%r)niolds objected the example c-f 
the Bra(en Serpent, demolifhed and 
rtampt to powder by B^echyas, becaufe 
the people abuled it to Idolatry, wiiliing 
that in like fort, the Croffe (liould bee 
abandoned , becaule , in the time of 
Popeiy, it had beene fuperftitiouHy a. 
biifed . Whereunto the Kings MaieFiy 
anfwercd divers wayes . Firft, quoth 
he , though I bee fufficiently perfwa- 
ded of the CrolTe in Baptilmc,andthe 
L com- 

74- The ji^irme of the Conference 

^^ commendable ufe thereof in the Church 
^*^lbloncy. yet;, if there were nothing eKe 
^' to move mee, this very argument were 
^^ an inducement to me ;, for the retaining 
^^ of it;, as it is now by order eftabhlhed : 
^* For inafmuch,as it was abufcd;. So you 
^^ rAy^tofuperftition^intime of Popery;, it 
^^ doth plainly imply ;,that it was wel ufed 
^^ before Popery,l will tell you, I have li- 
^Wed among this fort of men;, ( fpeaking 
"^^ to the Lords and Bifiiops,) ever fince 
^' I was tenne yeares old, but I may fay of 
*'''my felfe , as Chrift did of himfelfc;, 
"'^Though I lived amongft them;, yet fince 
^^ 1 had ability to judge , I was never of 
^^ them ,• neyther did any thing make mee 
'''^more to condemne , and deteft their 
^^ courfeS;,then that they did fo perempto- 
'^ rily difallow of all things, which at all 
^' had beene u(ed in Popery. For my part, 
" 1 knt>w not how to anfwer the obje(5ti- 
^^ on of the Papifts , when they charge us 
^*^ with Novelties : but truly to tell them^ 
^^ that their abuies are New^but the things 







before tJ?e K^ngs Majesty, yy 

which they abulcd wee rctaine in their 
Primitive u(e,and forfake onely the No- 
^^ veil corruption. By this argument wee 
might renounce the Trinity ^and all that 
is holy^becauie it was abuied in Popery: 
(and (peaking to Do6lor ^ynoUs mer- 
rily) they ufed to w^earehofe and fliooes 
^ in Popeiy^ therefore you fliall now goe 
^' bare-foot. 

^^ Secondly , quoth his Majejly , what 
^^ refemblance is there betweene the Bra- 
^*'ien Serpent ;, a materiallvifible thing, 
^^ and the figne of the Crofle made in the 
^^ Aire ? 

^^ Thirdly, I am given to underfland by ^ 
'"''theBifhops^andlfindeittrue, that the ^ 
^' Papifts themfelves did never afcribe any 
" power or fpirituall graceto the Signe of 
"the Crofle in Baptilme. 
^^ Fouithly , you fte , that the materiall ^ 
" CrofleSjWhich in time of Popery were *" 
^^ made ^ for Men to fall downe before 
*^^ them, as they paffed by the to worfliip 
" them ( as the Idolatrous lewes did the 

L 1 Brafen 

7^ Thefmyime of the Conference 

^ Brafen Serpent ) aredemolifliedpasycm 
^^ defire. 

The next thing which was objected, 

was,the w^earingoPthe Surplis ;, a kiwde 

ofgarmentjWhichthePricfts of //w uftd 

^'^ to weaie.Surelyplakh his Majejly^ until! 

^'' oflate,! did not thinke that it hadbeene 

^^ borrowed from the Heathen^ becaufe it 

^' is commonly tearmed,a Ragge of Pope- 

"^ ry^inlcorne ; but were it fo, yetneyther 

^^ did we border upon HeathenifliNaci- 

^^ ons, neither are any of them converlant 

^^ with us , or coramorant amongfl: us, 

^Svho thereby might takejuft occafion 

*^''to bee ftrengthned , or confirmed in 

^^Paganifme/orthen there were juftcaufe 

^'' to fupprefle the wearing of if.but feeing 

'^ it appeared out of antiquity, that in the 

'^^ celebration of divine Service, a different 

^^ habit appertained to the Miniftery . and 

^^principally, ofwhiteLinnen, he faw 

" no realon, but that in this Church, as it 

^^ had beene, for comeHnefle^and for or- 

*^der(ake, it might bee ftill continued. 


before the I\wgs Ad^Jefty. 77 

^*^This being his conftant and refolute 

^^opinionp chat no Church ought further 
*^^co Icparate it felfe from the Church o^ 
'^ (?^owe^eyther in Doctrine or Ceremony^ 
^*^than fliee had departed from her felfe, 
*"' when file was in her flourifliins; ^ bell 
"eftate^ and from Chrifl: her Lord and 
" Head. And heere ac]raine he asked, what 
^^ more they had to lay. 
" D. Reynolds tooke exceptions riC chofe 
^^ words in the Common Prayer Book, of 
'^ Matrimony, With my body I thee wor- 
^^fhip. His Majefiy looking upon the 
'' place; I was made beleevC;, ( iaith he ) 
^^ that the Phrale did import no lefTe then 
^^ Divine worfliip and adoration : but by 
^^ the examination I finde^^that it is an ufir- 
^^ all Englifh tearme , as a Gentleman of 
'^worfliipj See. and the lenft agreeable 
'^ unto Scriptures, Giving honour to the 
'^ wife, &c. But turning to Doctor ^y?i. 
^^ ( with finiling faith his MajeBy^) Many 
^*'a man Ipcakes oi^h'in Hood^who never 
*^fhot in his Bow : if you had a good 

L 3 wife 

78 The ftmme of the Conference 

'^ wife your felfe , you would thinkeall 
*^' the honour and w^orfliip you could doc 
^^ to her, were well beftowcd. 
^^ The Dcane of Saruni mentioned the 
^' Ring in marriage ^ which Doctor 5^/z,. 
^' approved y and the Kjng confefled that 
^^ he was Married withall-and added^that 
^^ hee thought they would prove to bee 
^^ icarce well Married^ who are not Mar- 
''^riedwith a Ring. 

^^ He Ukewift fpakc of the Churching 

^^ ofwoman;,by the name of Purification, 

^^ which being read out of the booke, his 

^^ MajeTty very well allowed it ;, and plea- 

fantly (aid _, that women were loth 

enough of themlelves to come to 

''^ ^^ Churchy and therefore hee would have 

^^thiS;,orany other occafion to draw them 

*'^ thither. 

And this was th^ lubftanee and (ummt 
of that third generall point. At which 
paw ftpit growing toward night, his Ma^ 
jefly asked againe , if they had any more 
to fay : If they had ^ becaufe it was late, 


before the K^gs Aiajeflj. yg 

theylhouW have another day ; but M. 
Doctor ^ynoUs told him ^ that they 
had but one point more^ which was the 
laft generall head • butitpleaied hisMi= 
jefty ^ firfl toaske whatthey could fiy to 
the Cornerd Cap ?They all approved ic: 
WelUhen,faidhisAf^y^f();;, turning him- 
^' felfe to the BifliopS;,you may now lafely 
*'*' weare your Caps : but I (hall tell you,if 
*' you flbould walke in one ftreete in Scot- 
" /rf;/<:/^with fuch a Cap on your head, if I 
^ were not with you ;, you fliould be fto- 
^''ned to death with you Cap. 

In the fourth generall head touching 
Dilciphne J Doctor (?(ry«. firfl: tooke ex- 
ception to the committing of Ecclefia- 
fticall cenfures unto Lay-Chancellors 5 
his rea(bn was , that in the Statute made 
in I\ipg Henry his time, for their autho- 
" rity that was abrogated in Queene Ma- 
rks time y and not revived in the late 
Qneene3 daies : and abridged by Bifhops 
themfclves 1571. ordring that the faid 
Lay- Chancellors fhould not excommu- 



So ^hefumme of the Conference 

nicace in matters of Correclion, and j(n. 
1584. and 1589. not in matters of fn- 
ftance , but to bee done onely by them^ 
who had power of the KeiesiHii M<^yV- 
fiy anlwered ; He had already conferred 
with his Bifihops, about that point,, and 
*^^ that fuch order (liould be taken therein^ 
^^ as was convenient^ willing him in the 
^',meanetime, to goe to (bme other mat- 
ter^jif he had any. Thenheedefireth;,that 
according to certaine provincial! confti- 
tutions ^ they of the Clergy might have 
meetings once everv three weekes ^ Firft^ 
in Rurall Deanries , and therein to have 
I Cor. Prophecying^ according as the reverend 
^4- Father Archbifliop Grindall , and other 
Bifliopsdefiredof her late Majesiy : Se- 
condly^ that luch things as could not bee 
refolved upon there , might bee referred 
to the Archdeacons Vifitarion * and /b 
Thirdly ;, from thence to the Epilcopall 
Synode, where the Bifhop with his Pref- 
bytery, fhould derermine all fuchpointj^ 
^ as before could not be decided. 


before the K^ngs MajeUy. 8i 

Ac which fpeech^ his MajeFiy waS 
(ome-whac ftirredj yet, which is ad- 
mirable in him, without paffion, or 
fiiew thereof ; thinking that they ay- 
mcdat a Scottifh Presbytery , w^hich, 
fayth he, as well agrceth with a Monar- 
chy, as God and the Devill. Then Lickey 
'^ and TofUy and Ti^ill, and Dick fliall meet, 
'' and at their pleadires cenfiire mc 6>c my 
'^'^ Councell , and all our proceedings : 
^' Then Will dial ftand up and fay,It mufl 
'^'^bethusj then D/cAe fh all reply and lay, 
**^ Nay Mary,but we wil have it thus.And 
<■*' therfore, here I muft once reiterate my 
'^ former ipeech , Le ^y s ' avifcra : Stay 
^^ I pray you, for one leaven years, before 
^^ you demand that of me: and if then 
^"^you finde mce pur(ey and fat, and 
f^ my winde pipes ftuffed, I will per- 
c^'haps hearken to you : for let that Go- 
<^Wernmenc be once up, I am fure I 
'-^ flhall be kept in breath , then fhall w^ee 
<*^ all of us have worke enough , both our 
**" hands full . But Doctor • (I{ey?idds 

M till 

Si Tlkfumme oftBe Conference 

'•^ till you finde that I grow lazi e ^ let that 
'^ alone. 

And heere, becaule that O. ^eyn, had 

twiie before obtruded the KingsjSupre- 

made ,• fir ft , in the Article concerning 

the Pope ; Secondly , in the point of 

Subfcription , his Majejly at tho(e times 

^^ faid nothing : but now growing to an 

^' endjhe (aid^ I fliall fpeake of one matter 

'^^ more; yet fbmewhat out of order :but it 

^^ skilleth not. D. 5^72 .quoth the King,you 

'"'^ have often fpoken for my Supremacy j 

^^ 6c it is welljbut know you any heere;,or 

^' any el(e -where, who like of the prefent 

^'^ Government Ecclefiafticall , that finde 

^^ fault or diflike my Supremacy? D.^y?t, 

"faidjNo. Why then, C^idhis Maje^y^ I 

^'^ will tell you a Tale. After that the Reli- 

'^ gion reftored by King Edward the Sixth, 

^^ was (bone overthrowne^by the fiiccefli-. 

^^ on of Queene Mary heere in England,'wc 

" in Scotland felt the tScd: of it. Whereup- 

^^ on M.Knox writes to the Q ueene Rc- 

" gent/of^whom without flattery, I may 


before the K^ngs Majesty. 85 

iay . that flie was a vertuous and mode- 
rateLadjJ^tellingher thacfheew 

^' pre meRead oFtlie Churchj and charged 
^^ her,as file would afll\ver it before Gods 
^^ tribunaI,to take care"6FChnfl: his Evan- 
**'gill^and ofluppresfing thePopiFFPre- 
^' lates,\vho wirhftoodthe (ame.But how 
^^ longjtrow yee^did this continue r Even 
^^ fo Iong,till by her authority _, the Popifh 
^^ Bifliops were reprefled^he him(elfe,and 
'^ his Adherents werebrous;ht inland well 
^^ letled, and by thele meanes made ftrong 
*^' enoui;h,to undertake the matiiers of Re- 
^^ rormatio themftlves. Th en ioe^they be . 
^^ gan tn makermallrKpf^ nnrnFlnprSnp^^- 
macy, nor would longer reft on her au- 
thority , but tooke the cauie into their 
owne hand,and according to that more 
^^ light^whcrwiththey were illuminated, 
^^ made a further Reformatio of Religion. 
"How they u(ed that poore Lady my mo- 
" ther,is not unknowne, and with griefc 
*^^ I may remember it. who , bccaufe fhee 
^"^hadnocbeene otherwift inftruded,did 

M 2 defire. 

§4- Thefumme of the Conference 

^^ dcfire^onV ^a private C happe]) ^wherein 
^IxQjc rveTjod after her maner^with Tom e 
** lew lelected perlons,buc her (upremacy 
^^ was not lurhcientto^obtai ne it at their 
^' hands *- And how they dealt with me in 
^^ ^my minority ^ycu all know it was not 
'"don leer ecly,and though 1 would,! can* 
not concealeit. I will apply it thus. 
"And then putting his hand to his Hat;, 
^' his Maejsiy layd,myLords^the Bifliops, 
^'Imaythank.eyoU;,that thele men doe 
^'^ thus plead for my Supremacy. They 
" thinke they canot maketheir party good 
*^'^againft you p but by appeahng unto it, 
* ■ as ifyou_, or fome that adhere unto you, 
" were not wel afifeded towards it. But if 
ounce you were out^and they in place, I 
know what would become of my Su- 
premacy . No Biniop;,no King^as before 
^^l iayd. Neither do I thus fpeake at ran^- 
^^ dome, without ground/or I have obfer- 
" ved fince my comming into England^ 
" that fbme Preachers before me , can be 
^^c.pntenc to pray for lames King- of £«g;:= 

' land, 


before the K^gs Ad^jefly. 8y 

^* lafidy Scotland ^France yc:jrlrela7id ^defender: 
5' of the FaitB^uc as for fupreame Gover- 
^'^ aor^ iiTallTatifts^and over al perfons (as 
'"^ well Ecclefiafticall asGivill )• they palfc 
^* that over with *{ilence/.&\vhat cut they 
^'^ have beene of,l after learned. After this 
"askingthem, if they had any more to 
*'^objed-6c D.^o'-^^^'^'^vring no ,his Majc- 
y?)' appoynted the next wednefday for 
both parties to meete before him, and ri- 
fing from his Chaire;, as he was going to 
his inner Chamber _, If this be all , c]Lioth 
^'^he;, that they have to fay^ 1 fliall make 
^^ them conforme themfelves^or I wil har- 
^^ ry them out of this lad, or el(e do worle. 
And this was the fumme of the (econd 
dayes Conference, which raifed inch an 
admiration in the Lords^ia relped: of the 
King his fingular readynefle, and exact 
knowledge,that one of them faid,he was 
fully pevfwaded,hisA/.ijV/fy fpake by the 
inftindi of the fpirit of God. My Lord 
Cicill acknowledged, that very much 
wee are bound to God, who had given 

M 3 us 

$6 The fumrne of the Conference 

Aisa King of an underftandingheart.My 
Lord Chancellor paffing but of the pri- 
vy Chanmber , (aid unfo* tBe Deane of 
CheHer , (landing bythedoore ; I have 
often heard and read 5 that (2^x eTt mixta 
perfor?a cum Sacerdotej but I never faw the 
truth thereof till this day. 

Surely , wholbever heard his MajeUy, 
might juftly thinke ;, that title did more 
properly fit him;, which Eunapim gave to 
that famous Rhetorician, in iaying, 
that he was , '^'/'^'•W" r,t if^,r^v)c>c» 
timfiimtKf f*u'i7*r,A, liviuff Li- 
brary ,and a Walking 

Finis fecund^ diet. 







?fPon Wcdnelclay , lanu^ 
arte i8. all the Bidiops 
aforenamed ^. attended 
at the Court , and the 
Deanes : who were all 
called into the Privic Chamber , and 
who To elfe my Lord Arch-Bifliop 
appointed , ( for fuch was his Maje^ 
Hies pleafure ) whereupon the Knights 
and Doaors of the Arches , Vi^, Sir 
Daniel T^unne , Sir TI?omas Crumpton , 
Sir <Richard Swde , Sir lohn Sennet , and 
^ D,I>rury 

8S The fumme of the Conference 

Do6tor Drwrjeiuredin. As (bone as the 
Z^iw^ was fet ;, the Lord Archbifhop pre- 
iented unto hinci a note of thofe poynts, 
which hisM^jeUy had referred to their 
coafideration ^upon the firll day, and the 
alteration , or rather explanation of them 
in our Liturgie. 

1 Abfblution or Remiffion of 
finnes, in the Rubrike of Abfb- 

2 In private Baptifme, thelawfull 
Minifter prelent, 

J Examination;, w^ith Confirmation 
of Children. 

4 lefus laid to them ; twift to be put 
into the Dominicall Gofpels, in 
fieadof i<?/wf (aydto his Difciples. 
" His Majejly here taking the Common 
'*' prayer booke, and turning to private 
^' Baptifmc^willed^that where the words 
^^ were (in the Rubrike, the iecond Para- 
^^ graph)They baptize notchildren^Now 
" it fhould be thus read- They cauftnot 
children to be baptized,- and againe, in 


before the Kj^ngs Majesty. 8p 

^' the lame paragraph^ for thofe words - 
^' Then they Minifter it, it Hiould be^The 
^^ Curate,or lawful Minifter prcftnt^fliall 
^' doe it on this fafliion. Concluding very 
^'^ gravely, that in this Conference;, heeai- 
^^ med at three things principally -firft^The 
^^ letting downe of words fit and convc- 
*'*^nient-Secondly^Contriving how things 
^'^might be beft done,withouc appearance 
*^*^ of alteration ; Thirdly, Pra(5ti(ed^ that 
^ each man may doe his duty in his place. 
^'^ After this, his Majefly fell into dif 
^^ courfe about the high Qommlsjion , 
^^ wherin he faid^that he underftood,how 
^^ the parties named thercin,weretoo ma- 
" ny and too meane-that fhe matters they 
" dealt in were bafe, and fuch as Ordina- 
**^ ries at home in their Courts might cen- 
^' iure^that the branches granted out to the 
Bifliops in their feverall Diocefles , were 
too frequent and large. To which, my 
Lords Grace anfwered fcvcrally. Firft, 
for the number , it was requifite it 
(hould bee great , for otherwife , hee 

N muft 

po Tloefunme of the Conference 

muft bee forced as oft-times now it fell 
out, to fit alone, becaufe, that albeit all 
tlie Lords of the Privy Countell were in^, 
all theBifliops, nnany of the judges at 
Law , and fome of the Cleai:ks of the 
Councell;, yet very few, or none of them, 
fitting with him at ordinary times, (bme 
of meaner place, as Deanes, and Dodors 
of Divinity^ and Law, muft needes bee 
put in .; whole attendance , his Grace 
might with more authority command 
and expert. Secondly , /or the matters 
handled therein, he faid, that hee often- 
times had complained thereof , but faw 
that it could not bee remedied 5 becaule, 
that the fault may bee of that nature , as 
that the ordinary jurifdidlion might cen- 
lure it : but eftft)ones it falls out , that 
the party deUnquent is too great, and lb 
the. Ordinary dare not proceed ^againft 
him ; orlbmightyinhisftate,orlbwil- 
fullinhiscontumacie, that hee will not 
obey the Summons or cenlure ; and lb 
the .Ordinary is forced to crave helpe at 

before the Icings Majesty, pi 

the High Qommisjion, To the thirds 
his Grace laid, that ic concerned not him 
to make anfwer thereunto ;, for iuch 
Commisfions have beene granted a- 
gainft his will oftentimes , and without 
his knowledge for the moft part. My 
Lord Chancellor therefore offered it to 
his Majeflies wiftdome to confider , if 
Iuch Commisfions (hould not bee gran- 
tedtoanyBifhop , but iuch as have the 
^' largcft Diocefles, which his M^/>/7j well 
^^ approved ; and added withall^that thole 
^'Bifliops who have in their DioceflTes^ 
'*'thc moft troubleibme & refradtary per- 
'*^(bns,either Papifts, or Puritans, : but of 
^'^this , asalfoofthe other things found 
^' fault with hercin^he willed thofe to con- 
^''fult;, to whom fhould be appointed the 
review of the Comm'tsfion, And here 
that point had ended;, but that one of the 
Lords , ( I thinke verily rather upon miC- 
information;, then fet purpoft , ) pleaied 
to (av , that the proceeding thereby, was 
like unto thQSpaniJh Inquifition, where- 

N 2 in 

pi The f mime of the Conference 

ia men were urged to (ublcribe more 
then Law required, that by the Oach£x 
cfftcio y they were inforccd to accule 
themftlves ; that they were examined up- 
on xO;,or 24. Articles, upon the fiidden, 
without deUberation , and for the raoft 
partagainft themlelves : for ch^ evidence 
thereof,a letter was Qicwed of an ancient 
Honourable Councellor^ written to the 
Lord Arch-Biflhop, Jiim, 1584. of two 
Minifters ofCamhridgeJliyey then or there 
abouts , examined upon many Articles, 
and in the end deprived. The Lord 
Arch-Bifhopanlwered^firft, to themat- 
cer^that in the manner of proceeding, and 
examining, his Lordftiip was deceived : 
for ifaiiy Article did touch the party any 
way, eytherforHfe, liberty, orfcandall, 
he might refu(e to an(wer,ney ther was he 
urged thereunto ; Secondly, tothe Letter^ 
being in a cauft twenty yceres fince deter- 
mined, hee could notanlwertheparticu- 
lars,but if his anfwer to that Letter were 
found out,hee doubted not , but as it did 


before the K^gs Adajejly. pj 

iadsfie that honourable Councellor when 
he hved , fo it would alio fufficiently 
cleare this complaint before his Majesty. 

My Lord of London , for the matter of 
Subicription^ fhewedhisHiig/wejf/t'the 3. 
' Articles^, which the Church-men of Eng:: 
land are to approve by Sublcribingj name- 
ly, the I\jngs Supremacy . the Articles of 
Religion , and the Booke of Common 
Prayer. All which it pleaied his Majesty 
himfelfe, to read , ( and after a litle glance 
given ^ that the mention of the Oath Ex 
offtdOyCSLtnc in before his due time ) he di= 
lated, firft, howncceflary Subfcription 
was , in every well governed Church ; 
that it was to be urged, for the keeping of 
peace : for as Laws to prevent killing;,did 
provide there fhould bee no quarrelling j 
fo to prevent greater tumults in the 
Church^fubfcriptio was requifite- Second- 
ly, becaufe the Bifhop is to an(\ver fore- 
very Minifter, whom hee admictcth into 
his Dioceffe, it were fitteft for him ;, to 
know the afFedion of the party be- 

N 3 fore 




94- ^hefummeofthe Conference 

fore his admittance , the beft way to 
know him, and to prevent future facti- 
ons, was to urge his iiibfcription at his 
firft entrance : for, Turp'tm eijchur ^ cjuam 
non admit titur hofpes. Thirdly^as Iiibfcrip- 
tion was a good meanes to difcerne the 
affedion of perfbns , whether quiet or 
^' turbulent ,• withall,it was the principall 
way to avoyd confufion : concluding^ 
that if any , after things were well orde- 
red would not be quiet , and fliew his 
^^ obedience,the Church were better with- 
^'^ out hina, he were worthy to be hanged. 
'^^ T)'£Hat utpereat nnm^ quam unitds. 

Touching the Oath , £x o^ao , the 
Lord Chancellor, and after him the Lord 
Treafurer , fpake both for the neceffity & 
u(e thereof in diverfe Courts , and cafes. 
" But his Excellent MajeUy preventing 
^^ that old allegation. Nemo cogitur^detege^ 
*^ refuam turpkudineniy laid, that the Civill- 
^^ proceedings only puniflied faiSts, but in 
^^ Courts Ecclefiafticall , it was requifitey 
^^ that Fame and Scandales fliould be loo- . 



before the Kings Majejly. py 

ked unto. That here was neceflary, the 
Oath Compurgatorie , and the Oach Ex 
officio too ; and yet great moderation 
" flioLild be uled , firft. In gmVwr'ibmcrU 
" minibus : and Secondly,in fiich^vvhereof 
^' there is a pubhque fame : Thirdly^in di- 
^\ ftinguifliing of pubh que Fame ^ either 
^^ caufed by theinordinate demeanor of the 
*^' ofFendor^jOr raifed by the undifcreet pro- 
^^ ceeding in triall of the fad: as namely in 
'^ Scotland y\N\\^tt the lying with a wrench 
^^ (though done privately j and knovvpe^ 
^'^or fcarce fufpe6ted by two or three per- 
^^ ions before ) was made openly know^nc 
^^ to the Kingjto theQuecne,to the Prince, 
'^ to many hundreds in the Courtpby brin- 
'^ ging the parties to theftoole ofRepen- 
^^ tance, and yet perhaps be but a lulpition 
'^onely. And here his M^/e^folbundly 
^'^ defcribed the Oath Hxq^/ao : Firft^ for 
'''the ground thereof: Secondly^jThe wif- 
'^ dome of the Law therein. Thirdly ^Thc 
*^^ manner of proceeding cherebv;, and the 
^^ ncceflary and profitable efFe6t thereof, 


9^ The frmme of the Concert /ice 

^^ in fuch a compendious^but abfolute or- 
" dcr, that all the Lords and the reft of the 
^^preftnt Auditors , flood amazed at it: 
The Arch-Bifhop of Canterbury Qiid^ that 
undoubtedly his Majejly (pake by the 
fpeciall aififtance of Gods Spirit , The 
Bifhop of London upon his knee , prote- 
fted , chat his heart melted within him, 
( as fo hee doubted not , did the hearts 
ofthe whole Company ) with joy, and 
made hafte to acknowledge unto Al- 
mighty God , the fingular mercie wee 
have received at his hands , in giving us 
fuch a Kjfig^ as fince Chrift his time , the 
like he thought had not beene ^ where- 
unto the Lords with one voycc, did yeeld 
a very afFe(5tionate acclamation. The 
Civilians preftnt, confeffed , that they 
could not in many houres warnings 
have Co judicially^plainly, and accurately, 
and in fuch a briefe delcribed it. ' 
" After this , his Majejly committed 
^^ Ibme weighty matters to bee confiilted 
^^ of,by the Lords and Bifliops ^ firft , for 


before the ^ngs Majesty.^ 9 7 

^^ Excomunication^ in caufes of Icfle mo- 
*^^ment; the name or cenfiirc to be altered. 
^'^ Secondly, for the High Commiflion, 
^^thecjuality of the perlbns to be named, 
^^ and the nature of the caufes to be hand- 
^Mcdtherin. Thirdly, for reculant Com- 
•^ municants: for there are three Ibrts^laith 
*^' his Majefty^ of the Papifts: Some;, firfl-, 
" which come to Sermons^ but not to (er- 
^' vice and prayer,- lecondly, Ibme which 
^^come to both them, but not to the 
^^ Communion- thirdly,a number which 
*^'^abftainefrom all. That inquiry might 
'^ be made of all thole^ who were of the 
^^ firft, (econd, or third ranke, concluding 
^^ therein, That the weake were to be in- 
*^ formed, the wilfuU to be puniflied. 

Here my Lord Chancellor mentioned 
the writ, T>e Excommunkcito capiendo^ 
which his Hon. faid did moft affright 
the Papifts, ofall other punifhments, be- 
caulcby reafbn of that they were many 
waycs difabled in law:therforc he would 
take order^ if his MajeHy Co plea(cd,to 
O fend 

pS Tloefunme of the Conference 

fend that writ out againft them freely, 
without charge , and if they were 
not executedjhis Lordfhip would lay the 
Vnder-Iheriffes in Priibn, and to this the 
King a (Tented. 

" The fourth thing to be confalted of, 
^^ was for the (ending and appointing of 
" Preachers into Ireland^ whereof, (aith 
" \i\sMajefly)\2iVCi buthalfe a/^w^,being 
^' Lord over their bodies, but their (oules 
^'^ feduced by Popery , hee rnuch pittied, 
^^ affirming, that where there is not true 
^^ Religion , there can bee no continued 
*^ obedience • nor FovIrela?id only, but for 
^^ (bmepartofW^j/^x , andtheNortherne 
^^ borders,(b once called, though now no^ 
^^ borders :the men to be fent,nottobefa- 
*^ dtious^ or (eandalous,for weeds will be 
''' weeds, whcrelbever they be, and are 
" good for nothing , but to be picked over 
^^ the wall, therefore they fhould (ingle 
'* of fincerity,of knowledge, of 
^^ courage. 

^^ Thelaftwas/orprovifion of fuffici- 


before thel^np MajeHy. pp 

^^ ent maintenaacc for the Clergie; and 
^^ wichall/or the planting of a learned and 
'''' painefull Miniller in every Parifli ^ as 
^'^time fliall icrve. 

'^ To every of thofe, his Maje/ly willed 
^^thac ftverall Commifljoners of his 
^' Coiincell and Bi/Lops fliould be ap- 
^^ pointed by the Lord, upon the diffol- 
^' ving the alTembly preient. 

And thus having conferred of thefc 
points with the Bifliops , and referred 
other fbmeof them , ay you heard, to 
fpcciall Committies, his Majefiy willed, 
that D. ^jin. and his aflbciates ;, fhoiild 
be called in - to whom , he preftntly j(ig- 
nified, what was done, andcaufed the 
alterations , or explications , before na- 
med, to be read unto them. A Hcledii^ 
puting there Was , about the words in 
Marriage, With my body I thee worfhip, 
and arguing no other thing to be meant, 
by the word worfliip,thcn that , which 
S,Taul willeth, i Cor.y* 4« the man there- 
by acknowledgingjthat hereby hee wor- 
O 1 fliippeth 

100 TJ9efmme of the Conference 

fhippetii his wife^ inth;ie he appropria- 
teth his body urito her alone : nor any 
more, then that which S. ^eier coun- 
(elleth, I (Per. 3.7. That the man fhould 
give honour to his wife, as the weaker 
vcflell yet for their fatisfadtion^ fhould be 
put in, With my body I thee worfhip^and 
honor, if ic were thought ht- andlo his 
Majesty {hwt up allvvithamofl pithy ex- 
'^^ hortationtoboth fides for ^nity, per- 
*' fvvading diligence in each mans place;, 
^^without violence on the one party, or 
*^ difobediece on the other & willed them 
^^ to deale with their frieds abroad to that 
^^ purpofe • for his MajeHy feared, and had 
*^fbme experience, that many of them 
*^ were ticliflh and humorous,nor that on- 
*^ ly, but laborers to pervert others to their 
*^ fancies; he now law,that the exceptions, 
^'againft the Comunion Booke, were 
^'^ matters of weakneffe; therefore, if the 
^^ perfons reluctant be difcreec, they Avill 
" be won betimes,and by good perfvvafi- 
^ ons^if undilcieetpbetter they were remo-' 


before the K^ngs Majejly. loi 

^^ ved:for many, by their Eidrious behavi- 
^^ our vveredrivento bePapifts.Now then 
" of their fraits^he (hall judge themj Obe- 
^^ dienceand Humility being marks of ho- 
'^ neft and good men.Thofe he expcded of 
'' them and by their example and perfvva- 
'^ fion of all their (ort abroad/or^if hereaf- 
" ter, thi ngs being thus well ordred, they 
'*" fhould be unquiet, neither his Majefy ' 
*^' nor the ftate had any caufe to think well 
^^ of them.To which^they gave al their un- 
animous aflentjtaking exception againft 
nothing that was laid or done, but 
promiftd to performe all duty to the 
BifliopSj as their Reverend Fathers, and 
to joyne with them againft the com- 
mon advcrfarics, and for the quiet of the 

Only, Maftcr Qhattemn of Emanu^ 
el CoUedge, kneeling, requefted that 
che wearing of thcSurplis, and the ufe 
of the Crofle in Baptifine, might not 
be urged upon (bmc honcft, godly, and 
painfull Minifters in fome parts of Lan^ 

O3 cajhirc;, 

102 The fumme of the Conference 

capire , who feared , that if they (Iiould 
beforccd unto them , many whom they 
had won to the Go(pell, vvould (lidt 
backe , and revolt unto Popery againe, 
and particularly , inftanced the Vicar of 
^tejdale ( he could not have light upon 
aworie-, ) for not many yeeres before, 
he was proved before my Lord Arch-Bi- 
fhop^as his Grace there teftified , and my 
Lord Chancellor , by his unieemely and 
unreverent u&ge of the Eucharift , dea- 
ling the bread out of a Basket, every man 
putting in his hand , and taking out a 
peecc , to have made many loath the ho- 
ly Communion, and wholly refule to 
*^ come to Church His MajeUy anfwered, 
^' that it was nothispurpofe^andhe durft 
" anixver for the Bifliops , that it was 
^''^ not their intent , prefently^and out of 
^' hand to inforcethoicthings^withoutfa- 
" thcrly admonitions, conferences , and 
'^ pcrfwafions premiftd ; but wifhed,that 
^^ k flaould be examined, if thofe Men by 
^^theirpaines and preaching had conver- 

before the K^/igs Adcjje fly. loj 

^^ ted any from Popery, and were withall 
^' men quiec of dilpoficion, honeft of life, 
" and diligent in their calling 5 if (b,letters 
'^fliould be written to the Bifliop of Che- 
^^ Her, ( of whom his M;j^f(^ gave a very 
^^ good teftimony ) to that purpole : if 
^^ not^but that they were of a turbulent 
'^ and oppofite fpirit, both they and other 
*'*' of that unquiet humor flhould preiently 
^' be enforced to a conformity : and fo for 
'^ that point, it was concluded ;, that my 
" Lord Arch-Bifhop fliould write to the 
^^ Bifliop ofQyeJler , his Letters for that 


My Lord o( London replieth, that if this 
were granted, the Copy of theft Letters 
( efpccially , if his MajeUy had written, 
as at firft it was purpofed ) would flie 
over all England , and then other , for 
their confines, would imake the lame re- 
queft, and lb no fruit fhould follow of 
this Conference , but things would be 
worfe then they were before. There- 
fore he humbly defired his Majejiy^ that 

ia4. The fi^mme of the Conference 

a time fhould be limited^ within which 
compafle, they fhould conforme them- 
"lelves. To which his M^ygy?^ readily 
^' affented^ and willed , that the Bifliop of 
'^ the DiocefTe^fhould fet them downe the 
^^ time, and in the meane while conferre 
" with them,and if they would not yeeld, 
^' whatfbever they were, to remove them, 
^"^ after their time expired. 

No fboner was that motion ended, 
but downe fals M. IQietvHubsy and he re- 
quefts the like favour, of forbearance, for 
fome honeftMinifters in Sw^fc, telling 
thei^m^ it would make much againft 
their Credits in the Countrey, to be now 
forced to the Surplis , and the Croffc in 
Baptifme. My Lords Grace was aniwe- 
ring ; Nay, iayth his My e%, let me alone 
," with him. Sir,faith the iQng, you fliew 
/*^your ielfe an uncharitable man, wee 
'* have here taken paines, and in the end 
*^ have concluded of an uaitre,and unifor- 
^^mity, and you forfooth, muft prcferrc 
" the Credits of a few private men, before 


before the J^nzs Majesty, pp 

''the gcnerall peace of the Church : this is 
^'juft the Scotifli Argument ,• for when 
^^ stnv thins was there concluded, which 
^^ difliked fome humorS;,|the onely reaibn , 
'^ why they w^ould not obey,waS;,it flood 
'^ not with their credits to yeeld,having Co 
^^ long time been of the contrary opinion; 
^^ I will none of that^laith the t\jn^ y and 
^^ therefore , either let them conforme 
" themfelves , and that fhortly , or they 
^^ fliail heare of it. My Lord (jcill put his 
Majefly in minde , of a word his /Sg;/;^ 
mjfe had uftd the day before, namely^ of 
Ambling Communions , frying , that 
the indecency thereof , was very offen- 
five ^ and had driven many from the 
Church : And here M. chatter ton was 
told of fitting Communions in Emanti=> 
W/Colledge; which he (aid was fo , by 
rcafbn of the (eats, (b placed as they be . 
yet,that they had (bme kneeling al(b. 

Finally they joyntly promiled , to bee 
quiet and obedient, now they knew it to 
be the Kings mindc;, to have it fo. His 

P Majejiies 

io6 Thefumme of the Conference 

MajeBies gracious conclufion was Co 
piercing , as that it fetched teares from 
fome on both fides. My Lord of London 
ended all-in the name of the whole com- 
pany ;, w^ith a Thank(giving unto God 
for his MajeBy , and a Prayer for the 
health and prolperity of his Highneffe, 
our gracious Queene, the young Prince, 
and all their Royall iffue. 

His Majefly departed into the inner 
Chamber ; all the Lords prelently went 
to the Councell Chamber , to appoint 
Commisfioners , for the fevcrall matters 
before referred. 


The Preface. 

MAn^cofieswereftnt we, xthemf [ome mr([o 
jhamdejly mtrue^^S^ I ajjufeyoufo ob[ccene,that 
I think f his Majeftyirouldhave been as much emended 
with me for Printing,^^ vpith the Authors for difper- 
fiDg thtmJ have chojenthereofthe if eft andclunlieji^ 
frhicb dae here-rnderfallom, 

I give HO cenfure^nejther how I the J>2fperfers^ In 
the Reader conferre andjiidge.V^t dum eft judex 


The fir ji Copy, 

January 15. 160$, 

Ir, I cannot conccale from 
yai the good fiicccfilcf, 
which it hath pleafed God 
to fend us, by the Confe- 
rtence , which his Majefty 
had with the Bifliops at 
the Court. There appeared 
none but the Bifhops , 
which were with the King above three houres.. 
Cant,LondWinA(t\i6,0'fiwto\\. their knees, and 
defiredjthat all things might remaine , left the 
Papiftsfhould thinkewehave bcenein an error. 
The King replied, that in ^2. yceres corrupti- 
ons might creepe in. He fpake of confirmation, 
private Baptifme,theCrofre, Dumbe miniftery, 
Nonrefidence^the Courts,wbich he promifed to 
amend5efpecially he fpake bitterly againft private 
Baptifme/aying^hehadas lievean Apeasawo- 

p 2 man 

The ^rB Qopy. 

man fhould baptife bis childc5& againfl: Courts^ 
which he laidjhe would put down.The Lo. chiefe 
ludice, and the Lord Keeper fpake much againlt 
ibem,and the Lord Cer/Z/agaiuft Excommanica- 
tioDs.^by Lay men.lVlafter Deane of the Chappel, 
fpeaking fomething to the King in bis eare , the 
Bifhop oiLendon infolently faid unto him, Do» 
dor MontAgufyi^dikQ outjtbat we may heare you 
and feeke not tocrofle us. At their departurcjthey 
faid^that if the King fhould ufe the Minifters in 
fuch fortjas they wrereu{ed,they would be too in. 
folent^The King faid,they were his rubje^s,& if 
he would not heare them,thcn they had ]\xi\ caufe 
to complaine. The Bifhops brought forth many 
popifh aTgumentSjwhich the King very carneftly 
anfwcred,and learnedly, more then ten times cal- 
ling them Papifh arguments , and faid by thofe 
reafonsjthey might prove Popcry.The Bifhop of 
yp'inchefter faid , that if he tooke away private 
Baptifme^he overthrew all Antiquity. The Bi.of 
Peterbtrow brought forth a fooliiTi xArguracnt, 
with muchdifgrace tohimfelfe.The BiiTiops ha^ 
ving taken Wednefday, to confider of the Kings 
fpeech, the Minifters came to the King on Mon- 
c^y atnineof the clockc.Honeftmen about the 
Court are comforted.Conformitansbang downc 
their heads , and the Biftiops men curfe the Pu- 

Sic explicit prima dies^ 

I have 

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nUfUl Have fent you the declarati- 
on of the Conference , the 
which was in this manner : 
the fir ft day theBifhopsof 

chefler , making cariieft lute, 
-^..^^..«,^oSSa ti^at all things mtghtftanci 
as they did , left the Pap'fts lliould take oftence, 
who might ray,wc would pcrfwadcthem to come 
toachurchjhavingerrours in it; and the Puritans ^ 

will fay^they have beene perfccutcd long. The K. ^ 

anfwered Jhatthebeft ftatc would gather corrupt 
tions,& that it was no Argument for the to fay, 
They would not becured of the PoXjbecaiife they 
had had it jo^yeersihe concluded againft Abfeli:- 
tion Confirmati5,private Baptifmc, thedumbe 
& fcandalous Miniftcrs, Pluralities, theCourts, 
&the authority of the Bidiops by the high Com- 
miffioncrSj&cThefecond day the Minifters w^re 
convented before the King, who anfwered fearc- 
fully and modeftly : the Bifliop o^ Lo^o/tbehsL^ 
vedhimfeifeinfolcntly, faying thefe are Cart^ 
rvr'jghts Schollers,Schifmatikes,breakers of your 
Ma jefties laws,you may know them by their Tur- 
ky gownes and filke Turky Grogoram : the third 
dayjtheymetall, where the King fpake much to 
i«iity,that they might joyne againft the Papifts. 
Allthe three dales the King behaved himfelfead- 
mirabletothc beholders., granting to the Mini- 
fters their carneft requeft, that the Ceremonies of 

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